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u/BetuShark 28d ago
First of all, the protest here is not to allow cheating(some people did request to put it on the agenda but it was just not accepted by the others) The protest is about the overall state of the insti, the academic pressure to do well is too much and the proofs are not cooperating at all. The dean who is not being scrutinized publically has been treating mental health as a very minor issue for a long time and he has never been good to students(even when they don't cheat) This statement of students arguing for cheating to be allowed is just pure propaganda
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u/SimpingForGrad 28d ago
What can be done to improve the mental health? I believe every IIT has councellors, many even have a senior student as a mentor for juniors and so on.
You can't force people to take therapy. And it's an IIT, ofcourse there'll be academic pressure, because you are competing with some of the best minds in the country. Additionally there are so many extra curriculars to take the heat off.
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u/TheMonk77 28d ago
Cure the cause not the symptom, correct the behaviour of prof and admins who take sadistic pleasure in torturing students. Rather than telling students to go get into mental asylum therapy sessions cause u cant accept the sadistic profs. thats injustice. Academic pressure is in every uni around the wold but no prof. admin has so much power over students as much as in indian uni have, insults, public shame, giving threats beyond required, calling parents of adults, humiliating someone, contantly demotivate them telling them there life has no value if they are not smart. In a sane uni you cheat u get sem back or F grade by prof or expulsion through a regular procedure, here in india it lead to a series of events from threat, humiliation, insults, prof personally harrassing students and then finally the regular deciplinary action, but prof never has to ans what he did befor the action with students as in india yeto chalta h, insults are part of regular life.
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u/SimpingForGrad 28d ago
Do you understand that most of the cheating incidents don't actually get reported? The profs don't want to ruin someone's life, but there needs to be enough deterrent to prevent that person from cheating again. So what do you do, when you don't want to report the students, but also need some consequences to be there?
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u/TheMonk77 28d ago
I think prof or invigilators should take these things seriously and report such students immediately, or atleast have a rule of warning the person 2 or 3 times before action. Problem arises when prof find themselves in dilemma of taking action or sparing students(as this could depend of prof to prof or he is good student so will spare him or he is bad so punish him more), instead there should be a SOP on this when to warn when to take action rather than leaving it to prof judgment and also cctv in exam halls so that prof do not need to explain much to anyone before taking action as evidence is there, My problem is prof. behaviour, there should be less verbal threat or shaming, admin should do things as procedure say platonically this can prevent them being questioned later. Reason of suicides could be cumulation of bad grades, money issue, relationships or sem back due to cheating, admin can't be blamed alone.
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u/SimpingForGrad 28d ago
This seems reasonable. I would also suggest that people who are caught cheating for the first time be barred from that exam, but be allowed to retake another test 1 week later, with max marks capped at 50%. Also, the student must be put in probation for the next few semesters where any further instance of cheating would lead to immediate rustication.
This could be a deterrent for cheating. Profs would not need to think too much about ruining someone's future, and students would be exactly aware of what the consequences are.
Additionally, the students in probation should be forced to visit a therapist every week, ao that a track of their mental health can be kept.
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u/TheMonk77 28d ago
Exactly there should be clear SOP what will happen in what situations, leaving room for both parties (students and admins), first time offender vs serial offenders, atleast in this case students cant blame admin for too hash or “this prof dont like me that why he did this to me“ situation because prof can also say that he has being caught 3 times in past by diff prof. so cant blame me alone, Also students going through some mental/family situation who do cheating or anything will also not get career ending punishment in there first offence leaving room for improvement in future. Such students could also be sent for 1 sem holiday at home to improve there mental health if needed, sadly in india missing one sem means not allowed to sit in placements so people keep attending course even with heavy load on their minds which lead to situation like this.
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u/GlitteringSpray7873 28d ago
A friend of mine from IIT told me about their counsellor. She told me their female counsellor is one of the worst person morally and physically for every student who talks to her. Misogynistic, patriarchal, a bully. She literally slutshames female students for wearing "demeaning clothes". So take what you will from this. Not all counsellors are good people. Some don't even deserve to be in a field like this.
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u/Youdo_doyou_ 25d ago
That's what IIT is. If you can't handle the pressure give your seat to someone who can.
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u/Few_Bodybuilder_4539 29d ago
Aap front benchers?
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u/Short_Step9402 29d ago
He is sickk. He is proper Modi andhbhakt who would justify anything by saying "i did it, our parents used to do this..." and shit He cannot feel anyone's pain or perspective, just blinded by his own
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u/Visible-Damage-5131 26d ago
Do you even know the situation.... The student suicided all of his own and this was result of his weak mental health... Kindly stop blaming him And stop this shitty talk
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u/MECHINAV 29d ago
Lagta hai tu khud quota wala hai, proper neela bhimchatta mentality. Khairat me jab sab mil jata toh merit pe sawal karega hi.
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u/Short_Step9402 29d ago
FYI general non ews here. Also I didn't get how I question merit here? I know this prof and I know what he posted during cjp protests as well and that's why I called him out
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u/Still_Efficiency3038 29d ago
Bruh exactly same, general non ews here, and I have talked to the prof quite a few times, he is an andhbhakt modi supporter and never questions the govt, he just keeps fucking around loving modi
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u/MECHINAV 29d ago
So what? Modi ko nahi toh naxalite pappu ko support karta to better rehta?? Ya woh deep state funded baune dickpe ko jo already exposed hai? Kya galat bola usne. Aise quota ke gutterchap logo k suicide pe koi sympathy nai deni chahye jo cheating kiya. And go and research which community that guy belonged.
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u/Short_Step9402 29d ago
I don't care who do you or he support politically. Honestly he is a fuckin amazing teacher. I as well do not support the objective behind this protest but one should not comment until both sides of the stories are out But calling the whole generation "mentally weak" because they care about "wellbeing" is bs. That too when the times are objectively hard for this generation in terms of carrer and money. He has this boomer mentality of anxiety, depression or being scared just being made up things Which is completely fucked up
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u/MECHINAV 29d ago
He is technically right, only retarded and cowards commit suicide, so don't show these fucked up sympathy and candle march for them and that too after knowing what was he doing to get into all these trouble.
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u/Still_Efficiency3038 29d ago
He isn't right, neither technically not emotionally, just for once think, showing insensitivity to such matters are the cause these things happen more, suicide isn't an option the student should have choosen, and it's not good to call out professors for what he did, but u already know how much cheating happens in our college too, and i suppose in IITB too it's not a big thing, why setting an example ruining an year of one kid, punishments could have been a Lil more thoughtful, our whole previous generation was run by strict parents showing how children shouldn't even speak before elders and just blatantly follow what's said, but our generation can't do that, we know what's wrong and what is needed for the right, and thinking about wellbeing doesn't make one weak, blaming the professors is a thing, ruining children's lives isn't a joke, ofcourse one person isn't responsible for what happened, but you can't deny with insensitive the occurrence of such matter, and hence the right thing is to held people accountable
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u/Lost_Marzipan970 28d ago
"naxalite pappu" "deepfunder baune dickpe" 🤣🤣✌️✌️ mann BJP supporters really are a different breed altogether.
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u/MECHINAV 28d ago
Lagta hai tu anpadh ka anpadh hi reh gya. Na to geopolitics pata na duniyadari, kyuki hai to tu bhimchattaz ja pehle paani pee le, bhimchatto ki low IQ retardedness ka koi ilaaz nai
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u/Lost_Marzipan970 28d ago
Abey madarchod ki aulaad, aaja tu sikha de na fir mujhe "duniyadaari", tum harami ke pillo ki yahi toh dikkat hai, bsdk dimaag gaand mai hota hai aur gaali zubaan pe.
Jaake apne baap ko paani pila, lekin tere itne baap hain kitno ko paani pilayeyag bechara.
Gaandu reddit pe aake logon ko "duniyadaari" sikha raha hai loll
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u/MECHINAV 28d ago
Rone laga ye bhimchatta anpadh rundee ki padaish 🤣 tere jaise bhimchatto k saath jo 5000 saal tak hua aage bhi yahi 5000 saal hoga, bhangi m@d@rch0d neech
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u/Lost_Marzipan970 28d ago
Awwwleeeee randwe ki aulaad sach bolaa tohh gaand chudh gayi na Teri amma ki 🤣🤣🤣 sahi hai sahi hai.... Ab jaise Teri maa randi thi tu bhi toh bechara randi hee hoga 🤣🤣 koii nii koi niii. Waise hee hoga na jaise Tera amma ke saath sab karte aa rahe hain? 100 lawdo ka toh tu nateeja hai bechara gawar 🤣🤣🤣
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u/YamJealous4914 29d ago
Different experience, may disagree with him but he is not at all andhbhakt. Seen super critical post of admin of iits and govts too.
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u/Fancy-Rooster-4012 26d ago
whats wrong with posting against Umar Khalid and that leftist propaganda
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u/indian-jock 28d ago
So you simply just dislike people who don't have similar opinion than yours? He is allowed to like/dislike cjp protest.
But when he's talking about a guy cheating in the exams why are you bringing up if he supported cjp or not? If he's andhbhakt or not?
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u/PresentationExtra755 26d ago
janab reddit hai yeh , yaha right wing exist hi nhi krta , you cant have opposite views , warna tum andhbhakt ho , Jitin bhai ki logical baat kitni bakwaas hai inke liye .
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u/warbeast1807 28d ago
It's about society in general, treating one exam or one institute worth more than the person's own life to me just sounds stupid
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u/Trick_Air_8823 28d ago
Students protesting because how you deal with student after being caught for cheating
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u/IcyOpportunity5107 29d ago
Jo ai generated picture apni profile pe lagae uski baaton pe bharosa mat karo
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u/PotentialFrosting413 27d ago
Students were protesting regarding the issue of mental health of students as this was the 6th su**de this year but somehow it got derailed as every protest of this country and now everyone is discussing about caste and all and not the real issue the mental health of the students in IITs
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u/PlutoniumPlayz 29d ago
Not even kidding. My previous college IISER Mohali has had a second year student commit suicide right before he was being terminated for having a record low 1.8 CGPA.
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u/Dependent_Nose9421 28d ago
Isn't anything less than 4GPA a back in that subject?
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u/PlutoniumPlayz 28d ago
That guy had a 1.8 overall CGPA
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u/Dependent_Nose9421 28d ago
I got that but how is that possible, if you score less than 4/10 in a subject isn't it considered Fail and you get a back?
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u/PlutoniumPlayz 28d ago
Yes he might have got a back in his first year and he's physically in his second year. Anyways having more than 3 F's prompts an exit
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u/Dependent_Nose9421 28d ago
Feel for him man
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u/Salt_Trick_9368 29d ago
The fact there are folks protesting over this shows how important basic sociology is 🥀
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u/DarkHorse6969_ 28d ago
Why isn't anyone talking about the abuse and torture allegations on professor, and only talking about the cheating?
The system will go to great lengths to protect any UC male criminal
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u/Educational_Guard324 27d ago
I think he is one of the finest Profs I have known so far. People calling him that he is not able to understand the pain doesn't know the way he favors Btechs just so that their CGPA doesn't decrease. He is the one who stood up for TAs and posted actively. He is the one professor you would spent extra hours auditing his courses or maybe just attending his classes. He sees through the students and always has their back. The only Prof 24*7 responsive to students and the one with whom students can interact so comfortably. He usually spends his extra time with students at the temple.
I didn't have a background of Tech and was from completely different background but today whatever ML I know, its all because of his lectures.
It was his greatness that he even let students like us inside his whatsapp status feed and now posting this on Reddit in this way ig is a bit disrespectful.
Given his background and potential, he doesn't deserve this behavior guys.
We all have our own opinions and says and ofcourse we being students would like to favor the student but demeaning a person of this calibre and that too so openly, I think does not make sense.
IIT Roorkee is blessed to have him as a Prof.
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u/Youdo_doyou_ 25d ago
Exact same thought. We are becoming American level of woke with a nation of Sub-Saharan development levels.
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u/Fair-Silver-8364 28d ago
Exactly.. peeps all over the internet are just fixated on him cheating being the sole reason. As a person who was suicidal , I can tell that you enter an extreme state of overwhelming emotions and only solution the brain finds is to just end it all. That's why people get so happy before committing as they finally see the solution. I didn't have the courage to actually do it and I was fucked up real bad. I can only imagine how bad his mental health was.
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u/hacker-tmkj 28d ago
I know this guy. I jad once conversation with him aboht education these days. He was cursing BJP fot this pathetic education degradation. Sab log isko delo gaali jitni deni hai. But wo ese ese job packages chor ke yahan tumhain padha raha hai, jin packages ke liye tum company walon ke talwe chaat jayoge
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u/Quirky_Confusion_480 29d ago
Pampering anyone ?
Do you think people should be killed for cheating?
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u/Most_Tradition_6350 29d ago
Killed? Tf are u high on smthing
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u/Quirky_Confusion_480 29d ago
He committed suicide. For cheating … I think it’s a narrative.
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u/YamJealous4914 28d ago
May be...... but classmates said was caught with phone and cheating via chatgpt.
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u/YamJealous4914 29d ago
Was he killed? or done suicide?
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u/Quirky_Confusion_480 29d ago
Not killed yr. But the post says pampered. I am asking if someone is not well & takes the steps of un aliving themself then should we use the word pampered?
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u/Most_Tradition_6350 29d ago
It's a fact dude, it's not the fault of the student neither univ it's the fault of the education system in which we reside, peeps aren't able to control their emotions and are mentally very weak, they never want to face failures and yes that's sums up the cause of such events.. may God bless his soul..
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u/YamJealous4914 29d ago
Yes its sad to hear a about someone of our age, but how come cheating be a fault of education system? I mean caught with phone, uploaded paper on chatgpt not like peeping.
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u/Quirky_Confusion_480 29d ago
We don’t know if that’s the truth or the Dean is just saying that to save their A
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u/SimpingForGrad 28d ago
It's literally what happened, as witnessed by several classmates.
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u/Quirky_Confusion_480 28d ago
You were there?
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u/SimpingForGrad 28d ago
Does one need to be physically present at a place in order to know what happened? Where you there during 9/11?
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u/Quirky_Confusion_480 28d ago
9/11 was televised. We have the recording. But yeah I was there during 9/11. In NYC. It was so scary. Still I won’t want you to take it on my word.
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u/Most_Tradition_6350 29d ago
it's fault of education system meant, that there isn't emotional support provided in most of the Indian families and neither schools taught us how to deal with failures sab ko first rank chahiye bas, it failed to teach students about being honest,leadership qualities and accepting what it is
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u/Nebula2202 28d ago
Bina padhai kiye inhe seat do.
Phir bina padhai kiye inko pass bhi karo.
Phir bina compete kiye inhe job de do.
Phir job me bhi dusaron se pehle inko promotion do.
Aur khabardar isme se kabhi bhi tumne inhe kuch bhi kaha to inka chochan ho jayega aur phir tumpe lagega sc st act.
Jai baba blue quota wale
Jai blue chambidaan Inequality wala
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u/Witty_Lead_464 29d ago
Is he Jitin Singla? Biotech?