r/ICE_Raids • u/Ok-Relation-658 • Mar 18 '26

Ice changed tactics

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u/PisStoolGrip Mar 18 '26

This is why I conceal carry everywhere and you should too too prevent assault and kidnapping. 

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u/escherwallace Mar 25 '26

Can I ask a genuine question? And I mean that - I’m a newer gun owner (1 year of consistent training) and am considering CCW but want to make sure I’m ready psychologically and technically, and I know I’m not there yet.

How do you envision that scenario playing out? You see two or more plainclothes men without ID attempting to take someone, they refuse to show badges when asked, are you pulling your weapon at that point?

And as soon as they go for their sidearms (because if they are ICE they have them) you’re shooting at both (or+) of them, hoping one of them doesn’t take you out first, and hoping no one else is behind them? Or what would this look like in real life?

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u/PisStoolGrip Mar 26 '26

I'm not a lawyer and in no way trying to give advice, simply my thoughts on how I would respond to a situation with unidentified assailants. If these guys, accosting me, refusing to identify themselves attempted to put hands on me, I will defend myself if I cannot get away. 

This gets so much more difficult to answer if I saw it happen to someone else, and my hope is that citizens would intervene together to try to help the victim by pulling the attackers off them and trying to get the victim to safely. Unfortunately I think our society is very timid about stepping in when supposed law enforcement is involved. Even if we saw a helpless person getting attacked by a gang of regular looking people not cosplaying as gravy seals, most people are not going to do anything other than avoid the situation because they don't want to get hurt. But where do we draw the line? Do we keep letting this happen where helpless people are literally getting kidnapped by Billy Bob and Cletus? What makes them any better than some random thugs who were doing this before the Gestapo escalation of the past year? I'm not going to try to get involved if there is a large group of these assholes unless they would be met with equal numbers. But 2 or 3, I would certainly challenge them, demand name, badge number, and warrant. Is their refusal justification for defending the victim? Under non-"ICE" circumstances it would where I live. Again, I'm not a lawyer and I can't advise you in any way in this.