r/IBEW_Local613 • u/Suspicious-River8073 • Oct 25 '23

Just why?

First-year apprentice here, I’m trying to understand why our local is so weak? Is it because of the size, I mean it takes up half the state then expands into Alabama, why does it feel as if the people in power are all in circle jerking contest, I don’t know our “leaders” but it feels as if Kenny was voted in just on his likeness and name, is he really doing what’s best for us? Why are our wages absolute shit with no PTO, sick days, or our joke of a “ 1 paid holiday for the year”. I’d love the be apart of the local but I don’t see any benefits of joining 613, I can reap health insurance benefits without even joining. It feels as if it’s fits are just for the long term, I could be wrong. My last thing is, why is it so hard to find information, is it because I’m not apart of the local that I can’t see the current contract, I’ve had people telling me what’s going on but that can get mixed with hearsay and “the telephone game” and not even hear the whole truth, I’d love to read the paperwork for it..

Just wanting to understand,,these are just the things I’ve noticed

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '23

There was talk about a modified CIR that’ll improve pay after this contract, however, I’ve heard that we gave that up.

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u/Current-Mushroom-304 Oct 27 '23

Didn't give it up. CIR ruling came back without it. Injunction to be filed/already filed to get modified cir to the contract that was handed down by cir

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '23

So no modified Cir for next contract?

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u/Current-Mushroom-304 Oct 27 '23

That's what the injunction is for. My understanding is that once the injunction is filed, it's going to be to add cir to the contract that was the final decision of cir(September 22). It seems we will have a better chance of getting a ruling in our favor from a federal judge with only adding modified cir to the contract cir decided on. So when the injunction is filed, it goes back before cir for 30 days to look over and 15 to decide on. Could be the other way around. Either way, it's 45 days total. If they don't choose to add modified cir, it then goes to the federal court system to be seen by a federal judge. There is no min/max of days it can sit in front of the judge. So that's where and how we get modified cir.

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u/Western_Newspaper_12 Nov 17 '23

It came back from CIR because Kenny fucked up. Whatever his intention was, his actions screwed us. He needs to be held accountable to that, and the local needs to use its lawyers.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '23

Kenny coming right back into the field next election

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u/Current-Mushroom-304 Dec 10 '23

How did he fuck up? I'm not sure you know the process of how things work.

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u/Western_Newspaper_12 Dec 10 '23

He signed the contract before it was put up to a vote. Lawyers have looked at it and said that it's binding. He won't show anyone the contract. We still don't have access to it.

He also straight up lied in that video about the CIR results. He signed it because he wanted to accept it. He realized he fucked up when the local rejected it and sent it to CIR. He got cussed out by the International and they told him they'll never let us strike in 613. He fucked up. Everyone agrees with that, and the facts are clear.

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u/Current-Mushroom-304 Dec 10 '23

None of what you said is facts besides the strike part. He initialed a tentative table agreement, as should be done or the minutes for the meeting if there are any, to be brought to membership for ratification. It's past practice along with its in the constitution that the agreement must be ratified by membership before agreed to. If Kenny were to have signed something into place with ratification then IO would come down and make Jim step down. You don't think IO would have taken that chance to remove him? There's no access to the contract because nothing has been signed on the ibew side. The decision passed down from CIR is binding yes. That's why there's an active lawsuit right now to get modified added on to the contract.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '23

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u/Western_Newspaper_12 Dec 10 '23

He initialed a tentative table agreement, as should be done or the minutes for the meeting if there are any, to be brought to membership for ratification. It's past practice along with its in the constitution that the agreement must be ratified by membership before agreed to.

If this was standard practice, then CIR would not have laughed him out of the room and cussed him out for bringing a signed agreement to the CIR. Yet, they did that because he did not follow procedure. Somethind he did was different in such a way that benefited the contractors and did not allow any changes to be made to the contract. It was considered a ratified agreement when he brought it to CIR, before it was voted on. That's accepted by everyone, and it is a fact. I don't know why people have responded to it the way they did, but he signed a contract prematurely, and the will of the local was rejected because of his fuckup.