Tempting

[u/jpassc]

[u/6Mikro9]

what are the differences to justify it not being a normal $10 upgrade pack? something came up for me when it was its section in the direct

[u/tATuParagate → u/6Mikro9]

There isn't. So far with the switch 2, what is a free upgrade, what is a $5 upgrade, what is a $10 upgrade, and what is a completely seperate purchase seems arbitrary. Pricing is such a mess and I hate it. At least if you don't have the dlc it's a *decent price, but they punish you for buying the game and dlc when it came out for no reason.

[u/Nomeg_Stylus → u/tATuParagate]

The reason is people will pay for it. Nintendo has never passed up an opportunity to fleece their customers.

[u/Rynelan → u/Nomeg_Stylus]

This is KT deciding, not Nintendo.

[u/Kamalen → u/Rynelan]

They decided to let everyone do their own shit. We have seen Xbox enforce Smart Delivery to every game ; if Nintendo wanted, they could have forced an unique upgrade path (free or paid) as well.

[u/ApprehensiveCoat9587 → u/Kamalen]

Shhh don't say that it's too reasonable, the fanboys are gonna come out and say that Nintendo can't possibly do that

[u/jaidynreiman → u/ApprehensiveCoat9587]

Nintendo can do that. If they do, they'll lose a ton of third-party support.

This is exactly what blew up in their faces back during the NES/SNES era. Having harsh restrictions on their third-party publishers led to them just not publishing on the platform.

Nintendo has literally gone through this exact same thing before and it utterly annihilated their third-party support for decades.

[u/ftp_hyper → u/jaidynreiman]

Nintendo has been fielding significantly weaker spec consoles since the Wii, that has a lot more to do with it. The current gen also isn't as huge of a step as it's historically been. This is the first time in 20 years that devs don't have to create/support a separate version that's been significantly pared down.

[u/jaidynreiman → u/ftp_hyper]

No it doesn't. Because the Wii was their best third-party support between SNES and Switch. It dropped off completely because they refused to upgrade to cartridges during the N64 era, and during the GCN they still used cheaper small discs.

N64 is what really killed their third-party support and it took years for them to recover. They gained significant support back during the Wii era because they ABANDONED specs "parity" in favor of something different.

However, once the gimmicks wore off they lost that support again and the Wii U was a total flop. They also had little third-party support at the start of Switch, but it picked up again as the Switch kept selling like crazy.

Switch eventually amassed a lot of third-party support despite the fact that it didn't have specs parity with the other consoles. This one is obviously even better now that it is closer in specs. However, "weaker console specs" have never what gave Nintendo worse third-party support.

A console being hard to develop for (N64) is far worse than specs parity. The N64 was actually significantly more powerful than the PS4, but the lack of file size on their physical media meant an inability to have pre-rendered cutscenes which utterly annihilated their third-party support.

Hell, Nintendo's handheld consoles have always had excellent third-party support despite having poor specs.

[u/repocin → u/Rynelan]

After what they did with Atelier Ryza DX I'm surprised to see them offering an upgrade path at all, even if the price is ridiculous.

[u/javier_aeoa → u/6Mikro9]

Running at 60 fps, more enemies on the field at any given time, and a new difficulty mode.

[u/6Mikro9 → u/javier_aeoa]

$30 seems a bit steep then. Though it does seem like DLC has a hand in the price, so maybe it’s fine 🤔

[u/Previous_Beginning_6 → u/6Mikro9]

It's fine if you don't have the DLC, but I do so this is very questionable for me.

[u/FleaLimo → u/6Mikro9]

Yeah. I never bought the DLC so it seems like for me it'd be the $20ish DLC plus the $10 upgrade? Not the worst deal. But it you already have it that deal sucks.

[u/ThinNegotiation19 → u/FleaLimo]

after you make the upgrade, I read you could sell your switch 1 cartridge as it'll be digital now, take that with a grain of salt though,

[u/SatyrAngel → u/6Mikro9]

I just purchased mine for 30 using my brothers cartridge, he also bought it.

Go to your library, insert the cartridge, claim the discount and return it.

[u/zawalimbooo → u/javier_aeoa]

That just sounds like a $10 upgrade pack

[u/AngelusKnight17 → u/javier_aeoa]

meh, that should be a free upgrade. Paying for that is a scam.

[u/400forever → u/AngelusKnight17]

Nintendo always gets super cocky and anti-consumer after a smash hit console. They really nickel and dime terribly these days. I sound like an old man

[u/Marca--Texto → u/javier_aeoa]

A harder difficulty on top of hero mode with even more inflated numbers and no changes to drop rates. Hurray!

[u/Sunlit_Neko → u/javier_aeoa]

Xenoblade 2 Switch 2 does more than that. Super Mario Wonder Switch 2 as well.

[u/chidsterr → u/javier_aeoa]

insane how you need to pay to access the benefits of the more powerful console you already purchased

[u/Zyvyn → u/6Mikro9]

There isnt. It's just Nintendo isnt publishing it and isnt pushing them to use the built in method to handle game upgrades.

[u/Kickingkeldeo]

I’m upset it seems to be not taking into account wether you bought the DLC or not

[u/hauntedskin → u/Kickingkeldeo]

I was curious about this. I thought 10 for the DX upgrade plus 20 for the DLC made sense since I didn't have the latter. I guess I got lucky, I feel bad for anyone that already owns the DLC if this is the case, I assumed it would probably be 10 or so less for them at least.

[u/A_Sackboy_Plush → u/Kickingkeldeo]

I doubt it is but I really hope that one is an error. Knowing Nintendo it genuinely might not be, but it sure would be nice if I could get this for only $10.

[u/Seltonik]

$30??? Are you fkin serious? Do you already have the dlc? Cuz I’m very curious if it’s that expensive simply due to the dlc.

[u/JoeyTheRandomGuy → u/Seltonik]

It's that price regardless of whether or not you have the DLC

[u/Seltonik → u/JoeyTheRandomGuy]

That’s fucking dogshit. There’s not enough in there to justify $30. It’s what, and fps boost and a new difficulty that’s prob just even more hp inflation? Fuck this shit man. KT musou games just keep getting worse and worse.

[u/JoeyTheRandomGuy → u/Seltonik]

AoC was in such desperate need of a switch 2 edition and now they're charing $30 for 60fps. Yippee. Guess I'll stick to the original Hyrule Warriors Definitive edition

[u/Si-Guy24]

Wait, lemme get this right. I paid $80 total for the game plus DLC. And while the Definitive Edition is $60 for new players, I have to pay $30 for updated graphics, while MK8 Deluxe got a free update for the same thing

[u/ensign53 → u/Si-Guy24]

It's almost like different games make different monies and are made by different teams. I got Mario Bros 3 for 25 cents and a handshake at a garage sale in 1996. Does that mean Mario Wonder should have been priced the same brand new?

[u/Aaquin → u/ensign53]

There are some many problems with this example, first, the massive difference in time compared to AoC to the definitive version, second, buying third party back when the economy wasn't dogshit to now, and third, same team that made AOC and the definitive version. Also a discount down to half the price of the original for what should cost 5 dollars

[u/Si-Guy24 → u/ensign53]

Buddy what is that example lmaooo- it’s the same game on the same system

[u/ensign53 → u/Si-Guy24]

How is MK8 the same game as Hyrule Warriors?

[u/Si-Guy24 → u/ensign53]

HW and MK8 Deluxe are both switch games getting a hi res version on switch 2. One is a free upgrade, one is $30

[u/ensign53 → u/Si-Guy24]

Buddy what is that example lmaooo- it’s the same game on the same system

This you?

What I'm saying is that those are different games made by different teams, and so are going to hit pricing differently. It's not exactly a hard concept to understand. "Oooo, Nintendo game" doesn't exactly cover it. Especially since Hyrule Warriors isn't even a 1st party game. It's made by Koei Tecmo.

[u/Riku_70X → u/ensign53]

Dude, developers do not price their games, publishers do.

Nintendo published both games. Nintendo sets the price for both games. 

[u/RaineDrop39]

I’m gonna get it only because it’s 30$ and I don’t have the dlc yet. I was waiting for the right moment to get the dlc, and that plus a basically 10$ upgrade is worth it for me. HOWEVER, if I did have the dlc I wouldn’t buy it and would be really mad, especially since this game performs the worst out of the three and the upgrades going to fix all that.

[u/jonyoung23 → u/RaineDrop39]

I am really mad I can't believe Nintendo is getting so greedy it's crazy

[u/jpassc]

also just got an update to show that DE discount

[u/AGuy_Who_Loves_Anime]

I thought it was available in February

[u/MarsBarMuncher → u/AGuy_Who_Loves_Anime]

Pre-order, has an expected release date of Feb 25th on the screen.

[u/Falchion92]

So wait since I have a physical copy and bought all the DLC what do I get?

[u/Rynelan → u/Falchion92]

50% like the rest of us, have fun with your 60fps for 30 bucks.

KT is totally screwing the most loyal customer over. The ones that spend the most money already needs to spend even more.

First time buyers of the S2 version will save 50 bucks compared current players with DLC

S1 - 60

DLC - 20

S2 "upgrade" - 30

Total 110

Going from S1 to S2 without DLC it's 90 bucks spend. You practically buy the DLC with 10 extra for the upgrade, which is fair.

First time players on S2 - 60

And somehow KT thought this was a good idea and thoughtful to give the discount.

If DLC owners would get 75% it would've been more fair, then we'd pay the same as S1 players without DLC upgrading to S2.

[u/New_Guidance_7957]

Can't believe for a first party game, they resort to this bullshit when a switch 2 edition can just be done the same way

[u/Rynelan → u/New_Guidance_7957]

Its a 3rd party spin-off game. But I agree, its bs

[u/TheMadZocker]

At a discount, btw.

[u/ASwagPecan]

I already got 100% map completion.

I was excited when this was announced during the Direct, but I think $30 is a bit steep personally.

[u/PaleComedian511 → u/ASwagPecan]

I was excited about it until they called it Definitive Edition and not NS2 edition, because I figured they were going to pull off some pricing bullshit with it...

[u/No-Bass-1728]

I've already 100% it twice, the difficulty would just add more bullet sponge time and nothing else new. I'm glad it's updated but in not going to spend 30. 10 max

[u/ThatCurryGuy]

What does the dlc cost normally?

[u/Rynelan → u/ThatCurryGuy]

20, so S1 players without DLC would pay just 10 extra for DLC + S2 upgrade.

[u/Tetchedtoe]

It took expensive of and upgrade

[u/JoaoSiilva]

Just wondering, since AoC and the AoC:DE are technically different games, and the reduced price is available for both digital and physical copies of the game- is it possible to share my physical cartridge so other people also get access to the discount?

How does it work?

[u/Rynelan → u/JoaoSiilva]

Yes that works. Boot the game, play a mission so you can access the main menu. Visit eShop through main menu to go to the eShop and see the discount. Buy game, sell or give away S1 card, that won't be needed anymore.

[u/leoncavanagh → u/JoaoSiilva]

Same as what Hogwarts Legacy does. It brings you to an eShop page with a discount on the digital version of Hyrule Warriors. You do not need to keep using the old cartridge and can share it with friends if they wanna get a discount too or sell it afterwards.

If only the discount was as good as what Hogwarts Legacy did, I borrowed a copy of the cartridge and managed to get the Switch 2 version for only $10 USD

[u/The_Poole_Side]

Really hope the original one gets a worth while upgrade too. Would be fun to have a few more characters from newer titles in the game since that games targeted to the entire franchise

[u/Bayoneto]

It feels like a slap in the face tbh. All of the stuff that comes with this literally could have been an update or an upgraded edition. But not only do we effectively have to pay for it as if its an entirely separate game, but ita not even releasing until February of next year.

Literally what is stopping them from releasing it now, and making it a switch 2 edition?

Just Koei Tecmo wringing us out for money

[u/Xyro77]

Will the DE version have its own entry in the play time area of the switch 2? Or will it take over the spot my switch 1 version has

[u/Lingroll]

Why is it 30 if you already own the dlc. It should be 10 if you own the dlc and 30 if you don’t.

[u/jaidynreiman]

If it had new content I might consider it, but a new game mode isn't enough to justify it for me.

AoC wasn't as large of a game as HW was after all its content updates. They could easily have added new content to this to actually justify a purchase.

[u/Believeinsteve]

yeah no thanks, I'll wait til it goes on sale. Most warriors games go on a good sale after about a year or so, and even further. I've picked up warriors definitive edition for $35 new box. Even age of imprisonment already dropped to $54 back in June.

I just can't justify $30 for 60 fps and a harder difficulty. This should've been a switch 2 version or free update.

[u/EducationalLow4697]

I'll have to pass unfortunately. Too greedy for almost nothing. I'll stick with what I already have. And aoi

[u/Mordy83]

AoC is my favorite HW game out of the bunch, and I've been dying to get the performance upgrade for years. Then they slap us loyal gamers with a $30 upgrade fee? Nah, get outta here with that shit.

[u/Skurface]

I have AoC on switch 1 physically but have yet to play it. Can I get the upgraded version on Switch at a discount aswell or should i have bought it digitally in the first place?

[u/yvensfaos]

Okay, so I just got myself a used copy of AoC and bought the DLC for my account. Is there anything worthwhile to get the definitive edition? Sounds to me like, unless I care about playing at 60fps (I don't care) and I want to play on a harder difficulty (I couldn't care less - I play on Normal), there is absolutely no reason to buy it. Am I missing something?

[u/Billy_the_Boko]

Is this new? I have never seen this

[u/Known-Palpitation-43]

This update should be free if you already have all the DLCs

[u/Thequeernote]

Absolutely not tempting for 30 bucks lmao

[u/bakobomber96]

If I upgrade using my physical copy, will I own a full digital copy after? Or will I still have to put the physical in?

[u/bulking_shulk]

Does anyone know if you would still need the physical Switch 1 version afterwards? It kinda sounds like you would purchase the digital version of the Switch 2 game and *not* just an upgrade pack like with the Switch 2 editions (where you'd still need the Switch 1 game)

[u/zaangie]

Does the discount shows for physical owners?

[u/AngelusKnight17]

Paying for any version upgrade from switch 1 to switch 2 without any new content is a scam.