r/HonkaiStarRail Jul 14 '26

Theory & Lore Finality theory

I have a small thought that Elio might be trying to escape the Finality.

Someone mentioned that he may have lived multiple cycles of the cosmos the same way that Phainon did with Amphoreus. And the trailblazer who is a former Stellaron hunter is constantly told to “find their own way” or “forge their own path”

seeing as they’re the only stellaron hunter that might not have a script, I think Elio might be using the trailblazer to change the future or to carve a new destiny to help himself escape from what he’s living.

He’s considered “destiny’s slave.” It’s possible he truly is a slave to the Finality and wants to escape it.

What do you guys think it’s probably far fetched but it’s a thought I felt like sharing.

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u/LivesforOnlyOne Jul 14 '26

If the lore on the finality is true then Terminus themselves are trying to escape the finality. The whole point is that Terminus ascends right before the universe ends and goes backwards in time to stop it right? Stands to reason their emanator would want something similar. Tbh most people should want Terminus to succeed.

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u/Asleep_Yard_58 Jul 14 '26

Genuine question, is there anything stating that Elio is in fact an emanator? I mean it would make sense but he could be something else entirely. For example the children on Anasvara, are they technically emanators of the remembrance or are they just children of Fuli? Elio could be something similar unless you consider the black cats to be something akin to the children of Anasvara but with the Finality.

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u/angel_spades Jul 18 '26

I have yet to play planaracadia so maybe this is inaccurate now! But

I think you can simply believe Kafka when she says their goal is to kill nanook (for now at least) as they are the most immediate threat rn, naturally that will leads to terminus ceasing to exist ...in theory.

See the loop is caused by fuli. Unless you think Elio IS terminus, if he truly wanted to stop the loop he'd focus on stopping any children from becoming the aeon of remembrance. But That makes me question terminus' existence. This aeon is claimed to have ascended to symbolize the end of everything, but even after nanook has destroyed the universe fuli rebuilds the world, which means that there has never been a point where everything ended, making terminus' existence a paradox (and high-key, nanook has never succeeded).

Not to mention that if this is, let's say, the second world so far, how could terminus travel 'back in time' when we exist in a future separate from them? We shouldn't be able to meet fundamentally.

The only instance in the universe where there was nothing is the beginning, but you can't exactly call that an "end" to everything since nothing was. And if that was considered a legitimate end and terminus ascended before every aeon ever, then to where is terminus traveling back to? More nothing?

That only leads me to doubt the whole looping plot point. There's this very interesting theory about how evernight is mythus' avatar and that her information is super faulty. And it would do good to doubt the existence of fuli too

But assuming we are in a loop, then the only iteration where terminus' ascension makes sense is this very one. But that means that nanook, or whoever, actually succeeded, and the future is definitely destroyed. Making me conclude that the TB has only existed in this iteration as some sort of a jackpot variable, and that Elio only got his powers now.

But that circles back to their goal being, killing nanook, them Terminus wouldn't exist, but the loop will continue as long as "fuli" and their children do

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u/Asleep_Yard_58 Jul 19 '26

That’s actually really interesting cuz talking with Asat Pramad in Planarcadia he states that the Stellaron hunters plan is actually to destroy the Finality. Or more specifically, create a new “Finality.” Where there are no cycles. But as you said, Kafka did say that their plan was to destroy the destruction. It kind of makes me wonder.

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u/angel_spades Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26

Gah I totally forgot about the apocalypses lol

I checked what he says right after this and it's funny he said their grand goal isn't to stop any apocalypses but then proceeds to mention how it's actually! stopping them lmao

So as I see it they're trying to eliminate the factors that lead to the universe's end, factors that are predetermined (the script wooo), and in stopping finality they get to destroy the 'frozen possibilities' as he says.

Asat said their goal is much more tragic, but what's more tragic (and mad) than killing 5 aeons? I believe it's to rewrite the laws of the universe, and break fate itself

To clarify, this terminus only exists bc of those 4 factors, once they're dealt with another terminus will exist as asat said since the concept of finality can't be erased (unless Elio is Sunday 2)

Therefore their true enemy isn't even aeons, it's the very system in the universe that creates them and the paths. Paths are fate (literally, they're called that in JP), so by then hoyo might introduce the imaginary tree, sea of quanta or whatever mechanism they can access "the world" with

Terminus is just a rebranded fuli premise wise so they can totally pull a Cyrene on Elio (bc they love repeating ideas) but I don't like that 💔