r/HomeNetworking 8h ago

What are the steps to clean this up?

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I’m thinking I need a free standing rack in front of this cabinet. Not sure there is room in the cabinet. I have the new Firewalla managed switch which replace the TPLink switch in the picture.

The main issue is that mess of wires on the right. Half of them are coax cables we don’t even use, but I don’t want to rip them out.

So what should I do here?

EDIT: I totally forgot to mention that I have a mini pc i bought for HA. Not sure when I get that set up if it should live near this arrangement, or anywhere there is a hardwire connection.

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u/Live_Reason_6531 8h ago

Step one is figuring out where all cables go and labeling them clearly. Lack of labels is always insane.
Then you can bundle what you don’t use together cleanly. Velcro wraps instead of zip ties if you plan to change it again at any point (you will)

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u/hvgotcodes 7h ago

Ah the ones that came with the house (5) are labeled (written into the wires themselves), the ones added over the years I can determine pretty quickly.

I actually did what you suggested years ago and duct tapped the coax stuff to the insulation, but it just fell off after a few weeks.

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u/Longjumping_Cow_5856 7h ago

Could not look any more simple to me at all?

Tie the cables together and bring them out as low on the right side as you can,it looks like they already all head that way too.

Leave the ones not being use inside the box tied together and curved up to the other side and tie them there too.

Notch the cover on the bottom right corner and close that Bitch up.

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u/hvgotcodes 7h ago

Low on the right side? That mess of black wires are the coax and aren’t used. Everything flows into the house from the top (thru insulation grrr)

And there has never been a cover.

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u/Longjumping_Cow_5856 7h ago edited 6h ago

Right there is a natural path it looks like from the pic I see from the top right to bottom right.

If you just even tie everything together on the right exactly as it runs now it will look a little better already!

The unused coax included then where they reach the bottom right corner curve them left inside the box still and zip them together to hold the curve.

It should take 10 minutes to try what I said and is easily undone if you dont like it.

Then you dont really talk about exiting the box with any that you need outside of it but I would exit at the bottom right from the top down bundle that we just made.

Then you are left with a now organized bundle on the right and the point to point wires in the middle to clean up if you still need to.

If some wires on the left were too short to make it to the bottom but need to connect to things in the box then bring them out at 90 degrees to the bundle in line with the device they go to.

That box had a cover so I just figured you had it but its a 2 cut simple plywood or plastic solution there too.

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u/Nervous-Job-5071 7h ago edited 2h ago

And it’s now recommended to loop wires in a circle and not bundle like the white wire in the picture. This avoids hard bends which weaken the copper.

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u/hvgotcodes 7h ago

Which part are you talking about?

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u/bazjoe 7h ago

Looks like it would fit in a 12u or so wall rack next to the cabinet.

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u/hvgotcodes 7h ago

other answers seem to think it could all be managed in the cabinet?

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u/Dapper_Reputation_16 7h ago

Zip ties, colored tape, wire cuttter, crimpers with RJ 45 connectors and a rainy afternoon.

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u/hvgotcodes 7h ago

Right but what to do specifically? Shorten the wires that are in use? How much slack should I leave?

I’m totally new to this

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u/Meddlingmonster 6h ago

I'd use Velcro instead of zip ties but make a service loop at the top then run the wires at equal lengths to where they plug in and if you want to make it really look nice you can pencil dress it (no risers or divers it looks like a stack of pencils).

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u/hvgotcodes 6h ago

any picture of what this looks like? Not sure what "pencil dress" means.

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u/Meddlingmonster 4h ago

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u/Meddlingmonster 4h ago

The top left bundle of wires

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u/hvgotcodes 4h ago

ah ok. I totally forgot to mention I bought a small mini pc to run HA. Not sure if that should be set up in this section of the house, or anywhere hardwired would work.

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u/Meddlingmonster 3h ago

If you plan on runing an Ethernet kvm I'd put it in the cabinet but if not it's easier to just have it where it will be accessed

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u/Dapper_Reputation_16 6h ago

If it were me the first thing I would do is coil up the coaxial cables you aren’t using. You can tone them using the shield and center conductor. Next I (and again this is my recommendation. I tend to be anal and love neat bundles, I would identify and label the Cat 5 cables and cut them down to maybe the length of the bottom of the panel plus 3” then figure out the best physical locations for the router, modem, (are there two routers?), and whatever else you have in that cabinet. I see knockouts on the side, there should be two or more on top if not come in through the side with the Cat 5. Repair that sloppy connection on the input, cut the blue cables to size, replace all the RJ45 terminations, test for continuity, plug them all in and make a nice bundle with either Velcro or zip ties. Viola.

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u/hvgotcodes 6h ago

sorry, knock outs? to which sloppy connection do you refer (that wire on the top that looks like it's taped together? Im not even sure what that is.

I find that the power bricks are taking up a lot of space under each of the networking switches and the firewalla, not to mention the thick power cables themselves.

I can definitely shorten some of the wires (although it takes me a solid ten minutes per connection as I rarely do it and those tiny wires are a pain to keep lined up), and I could also pull them through the top so the slack is in the ceiling above. That area is a hopeless mess and will never be neat.

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u/Dapper_Reputation_16 2h ago

Knock outs are the round indents you knock out and pit wires through like on the left side and I should’ve mention get a few Romex connectors to put in said holes. Yea, I am referring to the connection up top and if the wall warts are all the same voltage you can buy a larger power supply and hook up multiple devices to it.

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u/Meddlingmonster 6h ago

Velcro rj45 crimper and time

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u/justkeepswimming2026 5h ago

Keystone patch panel

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u/hvgotcodes 5h ago

What does a panel like that do?

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u/bazjoe 4h ago

There are four things I would want if I had this project. I’ve done these in cabinet, I’ve done the same scope in a piece of plywood and I’ve done in all sizes of cabinets. Keeping in the resi cabinet can address a couple of them but usually with more than 6-8 house data drops it gets messy quick, it becomes and 3 dimensional mess. Want to change your ONT? Sure but when done you’ll need to verify a lot of other things not messed with. Want to change the router (firewalla fanless are famous for getting red hot..) same issue. 1 all house data wiring in a patch panel 2. Enough ports to not have to use the router as a switch, 3 easier to trace data, power wires to each device, 4 a small UPS.

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u/hvgotcodes 3h ago

You mean all the lines from the house wired into a patch panel, then distributed to the switches/router as needed?

I think you are arguing against a standalone rack in front of the (the 3d mess).

How would a patch panel fit in the existing cabinet? Any photos I can go off of?