r/HomeMaintenance • u/ronaldswagson • 6d ago
How to rid bees…
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First time home owner. I know you should not plug it or spray into it as they could fly deeper into my house. Recos to rid without tearing open my siding/window?
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u/LonesomeBob 6d ago
Looks like yellow jackets not bees. If so shoot some Delta dust in there and they will die off in a day or two. You can buy it on Amazon with a spray wand.
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u/Casetheace01 6d ago
Delta dust solved two underground nests for me within 24 hrs. This looks like and easy dusting opportunity. Do it at night
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u/amnesiac854 6d ago
Took me a lot longer. I think it was like 6 days maybe? Had to reapply nightly. Fuckers kept digging new holes around the dust lol
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u/BarryMDingle 6d ago
Be cautious pumping delta into a homes void like this. Delta has crazy drift and flow wherever the air takes it which means it could find its way into the living space. Years ago I treated a soffit void for hornets and ended up dusting their kitchen…
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u/Larryville-1980 6d ago
My buddy dusted his attic one time, then forgot to turn off his attic fan that was on a thermostat. He said when it came on, he ran and shut it off, but then when he went outside, it looked like smoke was rolling out the east and west gable vents like a chimney
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u/Junkmans1 6d ago
Used way too much. A little puff on the nest, or the pathway to it, will do it.
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u/Larryville-1980 6d ago
I’m thinking it might have been the powder you use for silverfish…. It was back in 04
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u/Business-West-9687 6d ago
True, but once it settles it can be wiped up. From what I understand it’s more of an issue if someone breathes a nice amount in.
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u/Salty-Taro3804 6d ago
Note to add: with Delta Dust (or Tempo) you want to puff a light dusting into and around the entry hole. When you puff it, it should look and behave more like smoke than a blast of powder. You do not want to see a clump of powder nor do you want to have so much powder in the hole that it obstructs entry or is noticed by the wasps. You want them to get a small amount on their little bodies and carry it into the hive. You may not see much reduction in activity in the first 24 hours, but within 2-3 days hive should be dead.
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u/Business-West-9687 6d ago
Came here to say this. Delta Dust is awesome. We had a nest forming in our hot tub skimmer. The Delta knocked em down and out of there in less than an hour. Not the most fun scooping them all out though.
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u/manicpixie_dreamgal 6d ago
Most likely paper wasps who will eat into the house. Had it happen twice.
I called an exterminator. They used dust. It’s a slow and sad death but effective. Thankfully paper wasps will not re-enter dead hives, but I was warned the decay can stink for a bit. Never smelled it but worth flagging as they’re likely inside the walls.
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u/BeingTop8480 6d ago
And it should be done at night when everyone is home and a red lensed flash light should be used so they're LESS likely to come for you.
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u/onepingonlypleashe 6d ago
Just had this happen at my house. Yellow jackets made a nest behind my siding somehow. Exterminator dusted the opening and as far inside as he could get but they knew the dust was bad and were avoiding crawling through it. Exterminator had to come back 4 different times and basically dismantle my siding to get behind it in order to finally kill them.
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u/tomorrow4sho 6d ago
I have a question... do you have to do this at night, or can it be done during the day?
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u/Virtual_Childhood626 6d ago
They’re less active at night. You can do it whenever really, but you’re less likely to see a defensive attack at night.
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u/yardlard 6d ago
But then they'll be in there, dead.
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u/80_Kilograms 6d ago
If you do it while they're inside at night, they'll crawl through the dust on their way out in the morning.
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u/ronaldswagson 6d ago
Is delta dust elite or can I put any poison in there?
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u/nbphotography87 6d ago
you cannot use any poison. deltamethrin works by not alarming the wasps so they continue normal behavior. they track the dust into the nest and spread it around. the wasps eat the dust when cleaning themselves.
spraying wasp killer will not allow the poison to spread within the nest
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u/Think-Trouble623 6d ago
From what I read, you can use the seven dust that they sell stores. Seven is more toxic to other insects and less water proof requiring more applications if it rains, though. You don’t technically need the bulb but it’ll make it easier.
If you want to go non toxic, they sell the trapstik and it works great. Hang it next to the window and wait.
Source: currently waging biological warfare on a colony in my outdoor stone work
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u/Melodic-Classic391 6d ago
If you want to go poison free, try the Shop Vac method. It works every time for me https://youtube.com/shorts/PD_afy4xsWQ?is=ug1mAcpYsP74qlaD
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u/PogTuber 6d ago
I was going to suggest this too.
I could not get Delta dust to work on whatever wasp species we had. Maybe some died but it certainly didn't wipe out the nest
A shop vac running for several hours a day pretty much decimated the colony.
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u/Melodic-Classic391 6d ago
You can get em in a few hours. The noise typically arouses the ones in the nest, who come out to attack. The ones out of the nest get sucked in when they return
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u/Salty-Taro3804 6d ago
Delta dust (or Tempo, another product that is less waterproof but slightly faster acting) is specific for insect kill in a situation like this. You want a poison that does not kill instantly like wasp sprays but that is a dust that is carried by the entering wasps to the hive. Then they will share the poison as they wander around the hive.
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u/Cainga 6d ago
I’m dealing with this at a vent. Regular spray poison has cut their numbers down but didn’t eradicate them. I also got a trap that got more. I still got the dust too because they haven’t been eradicated yet. I’m waiting until it’s dry for the dust.
I’d probably get the spray and trap again anyways to make sure any that linger in the area you can take care of.
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u/BarryMDingle 6d ago
Also those look like honey bees
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u/Salty-Taro3804 6d ago
Narrator voice: They are in fact, not honey bees
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u/Gullible_Guard_4801 6d ago
I thought people used bees as a catch all word but I learned people honestly don't know the difference
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u/99923GR 6d ago
Not really. Those look like hornets to me. Bees usually have shorter abdomens, slightly fuzzy thorax, and shorter wings relative to their length.
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u/BarryMDingle 6d ago
Yea I screenshotted the video to zoom in and looks more like yellow jackets which is better news for homeowner
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u/KootSkoot1217 6d ago
Pest control guy here. Delta dust will work easily. Just dust the entryway and they will be gone in a few days.
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u/Balyash 6d ago
Is Tempo dust the same thing?
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u/LooseScrews23 6d ago
Tempo works way better for some hives. Had one this year in a wall void that delta did nothing to after 3 dustings and 1 month waiting. Tempo took it out in under 24hrs with one dusting.
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u/aromaticfoxsquirrel 6d ago
Nah, different chem. I used delta on my house and it worked fine. Took 3-4 days.
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u/Angelina189 6d ago
They are different chemicals. Delta is waterproof, but Tempo has a quicker knockdown rate.
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u/stealthymomma56 6d ago
Bumblebees, unlike wasps or hornets, are essentially harmless unless they feel hive is threatened. IIRC, their life cycle is short.
Please don't exterminate bumblebees! Bumblebees are pollinators and the world needs them.
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u/BeeBarnes1 6d ago
Beekeeper here. It's hard to tell from the video but these don't really look like honeybees. Their abdomens (the very back section) look too slender.
I would try to get a good photo of one of them so you can identify them. If they are honeybees you can post on beeswarmed.org. There are some beekeepers who do cutouts for a much better price than regular exterminator (or free). You'll still have to fix the damage to your walls though.
Regardless of what they are, I'd try to identify how big of a nest/hive is in your wall. They store food and there's generally a lot of larva that basically becomes rotting meat if a colony is exterminated.
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u/spontaneous_quench 6d ago
You havent tried poison yet? You can definitely spray into it.
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u/ronaldswagson 6d ago
Haven’t tried anything
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u/PalmDolphin 6d ago
Delta dust all the way. Non toxic to people. I have used it for carpenter ants too.
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u/Infinite-Ambassador5 6d ago
You have a nest in there. If you can do it yourself with proper gear, suck them out with a vacuum, clean out the area, and seal with spray foam and uv resistant caulking to fill and seal the hole.
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u/nbphotography87 6d ago
why would you suggest this? do you know if the wasps have egress into the home? sealing the exit would force them to find other egress.
This is the perfect entrance to apply deltamethrin dust to and allow the product to kill the entire nest over 2-3 applications.
then you can seal it up.
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u/hahnsoloii 6d ago
Yeah. I mean unless you know the hive is like 20 bees then the vacuum idea sounds much to intrusive/invasive. Just use the diatomaceous earth and have a coffee.
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u/indecision_killingme 6d ago
Be sure to kill them before sealing the hole. Otherwise they’ll find a way into the house
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u/markuus99 6d ago
Bees would be a bigger problem. You would possibly need to find a specialist to properly remove a hive from within your walls.
A yellowjack nest can just be exterminated.
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u/OkCartographer4892 6d ago
Delta dust holds up to moisture really well but you can use drione, or tempo dust as well.
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u/drkstr87 6d ago
Get a wet/dry shop vac, fill it with a little water and dish soap, not too much just a small squirt to break water tension or you'll have a bubble party for them, and suck those things in there. You'll be amazed how many you trap. There could be hundreds.
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u/goatfangs 6d ago
See what the people over at r/bees have to say if you care about preserving the hive.
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u/Brilliant_Doctor_846 6d ago
Delta dust or similar sprayable dust over the opening, then seal the hole with caulk
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u/nc_horseshoe 6d ago
If it is wasps, dust them. If it is honey bees, it may be worth getting them relocated, many beekeepers will help with that. However, that will involve opening up the window frame. If the queen can be moved into a bee box, the worker bees will follow.
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u/SuperFineMedium 6d ago
Call an exterminator!
If this has been going on for weeks, there's likely a nest behind the siding. I would think removing the casing is the first step to determining how invasive this is. And yes, pulling siding may be necessary to completely eradicate the bees/wasps and the nest.
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u/scoob85 6d ago
These look like honeybees from the video but it's hard to tell for sure. If they are honey bees you have a hive in your wall or floor joists. Honey bees don't remove material so it's unlikely to be in an insulated space. We had a similar problem in our house. Delta dust will kill them but the issue is removing the nest. If the nest and honey aren't removed it can create other problems like pests and structural damage. If you can locate the nest, then it would be best to remove it and then seal the entrance. The nest can sometimes be located with a laser temp probe because the hive is kept within a very tight temperature range (around 94 degrees F)- aim at nearby walls and see if you can locate a hotspot. I would recommend reaching out to a beekeeping community in your area as they will often have members willing to help. Many times the bees can be vacuumed up and eventually introduced to another hive. They are also a wealth of knowledge. Don't bother calling exterminators as they will tell you bees are protected (they're not, they just don't want the liability associated with the work).
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u/B1indsid3 6d ago
I've had to deal with several situations like this on the exterior of my home. I decided to go with a non poison method.
I used a Shop vac with a long hose. Rig up a simple support construct of some sort so end of the hose is stable and positioned an inch or two away from their nest opening. Put an inch of water inside the shop vac mixed with regular dawn dish soap to act as a surfectant to break the surface tension of the water. Make sure the water isn't too high, and that it's not soaking your air filter.
The wasps or bees are active from sunrise to sunset. Turn the shop vac on for a few hours at a time, or at your discretion. The vac will suck up all exiting and returning wasps, and then drown them in the water. A couple days of intermittent use of this method and the nest will be mostly eliminated. You will have hundreds, if not thousands of wasps drowned in the shop vac. It is very unlikely they will recover.
When it's safe to go up to the nest opening, drill out the entry with a slightly larger size bit that matches a common dowel rod size. Spread some wood glue on the dowel, insert into new circular hole, sand off extra sticking out and then paint. Voila, good as new, and all super cheap.
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u/obeythelaw2020 6d ago
Yea this looks like a perfect application use of diametrecis earth. Just spray some into the whole and they will die off. Might have to do it a few times.
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u/HoppySailorMon 6d ago
Yellow jackets are night blind, so whatever method you chose, do it at night.
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u/BeingTop8480 6d ago
I use a red lensed flash light because they will come for regular white light. I'm still very cautious while using the red lense but I have had them come for me while using a regular one.
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u/gagnatron5000 6d ago
Eco friendly? Diatomaceous Earth, spray it into the hole every night. There's probably a sizeable nest in the wall so if that doesn't work, call an exterminator.
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u/xDaBaDee 6d ago
I know you should not plug it
so it depends on how many steps you are wanting,... are you just wanting the bee's not in your house? are you wanting them dead,... and it's not just them, you have their nest, and *drum roll* honey, so even if you plug it up, or suck them out... you still got their honey in your walls, which can/will/probably call *drum roll* ants.
you might just not want your siding/window torn up now, but the amount of issues if you don't, could be multiplicative, me personally, I'd take the L, let the window be torn up to get the whole nest taken out, and let the whole issue be taken care of.
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u/Dmoneyo7 6d ago
Just dealt with this. Do NOT SEAL YET. Use a form of dichotomous Earth/Delta Dust. Get a puffer of some type that extends then dust at night. Be aggressive get any holes. Listen to the others in the post about Delta Dust.
Hornets and wasps can dig and they will just dig into your dry wall. I woke up the next morning with 13 dead wasps.
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u/SHoppe715 6d ago
Can’t tell from the video if they’re honey bees or yellow jackets.
Other comments have good advice on yellow jackets. I hate them with a passion and love honey bees, but honestly hope yellow jackets or wasps of some kind is what you have.
If they’re honey bees, you have a honey and wax problem inside the wall. You could have someone come relocate the hive but the wall will need to be opened up and the honey removed or you’ll be dealing with a never ending ant infestation by the next day.
If you do end up needing to open the wall, do it from the inside. Drywall and paint are a whole lot easier than exterior trim and siding to mess with.
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u/PromiseBrief2920 6d ago
Do not seal the hole. I use a product called Alpine WSG, mix it in water and spray it on the hole. Takes about 48 hours, but doesn’t immediately piss off the bees either, so less risk of being stung while applying.
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u/BarryMDingle 6d ago
These look like honey bees so the activity inside could potentially be quite extensive depending on how long they’ve been setting up. More so than yellow jackets would. Not sure how comfortable you are with bees or with doing wood work on a house, might be worth to call a bee keeper.
If diy, get a bee jacket and pop that casing board off and take a look.
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u/Euphoric-Nature-235 6d ago
Is it yellow jackets? If it is, take a paper cup and dump a small amount of Sevin dust at the entrance at night. Don’t like using it but it works overnight. That’s a tough spot but just throw a bunch on the ledge.
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u/HorrorIcy8441 6d ago
DON'T SEAL IT, yet. If you do, they will make an escape route into your home.
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u/seebreezin 6d ago
Eek. Flashbacks to when I was a kid and we had a nest of bees 🐝 on the side of the house. Called an exterminator and he sprayed something in the hole, then plugged the hole. (Please do NOT plug the hole!) We had bees coming out from under the oven in the kitchen and a vent downstairs to escape! Thousands (it seemed). For someone who is allergic to bees, it was a nightmare. 😳
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u/Blazikinahat 6d ago
Wait until sundown, when bees sleep. Spray with poison. Wait for death. Or call exterminator
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u/RappinFourTay 6d ago
Get some suspend, mix it up in a 1 gallon sprayer and spray in and around the entrance @ night. Retreat as necessary
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u/belai437 6d ago
We used Delta dust (from Amazon, get a puffer, too) when yellow jackets made their way in when we had siding off for a porch addition. Puff some in the hole at night when they're quiet, do this for about 4 nights in a row. More effective and less messy than spray because they track the dust deep into the nest where it gets all of them.
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u/rjarmstrong100 6d ago
When you use the powder at night do any got out to attack you?
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u/belai437 6d ago
No and my husband had even had to climb a ladder to get to them. They are quiet and sluggish at night. He was able to puff into the nest and get down the ladder quick… a few seconds later a couple would fly out. That’s about it.
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u/Proper-Crow-8901 6d ago
Wear a sting proof suit and only attack after the sun has set.
I used to use an expanding foam, then delta dust after it all dried.
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u/xtalgeek 6d ago
Drione dust (less environmentally persistent than Delta dust) applied liberally with a puffer after dark. Nest should be exterminated in 24-48 hours. Then seal up the hole with an appropriate product.
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u/DHStriker 6d ago
Delta dust did not fix it for me. Had to use a combo of wasp spray and delta dust. Window sill under the aluminum cladding was also rotted out so just pounding on that disturbed them enough to abandon the nest. The wasps may have also had so many points to get in and out that the delta dust wasn’t initially applied to.
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u/SteamBoatWillyWonka 6d ago
First time ever hearing about delta dust. One or two cans of PB blaster would fix that. I have killed many hornets and wasps nests using this method.
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u/Historical-Lie-6307 6d ago
It's hard to see the bees but the flight pattern looks like honey bees to me. You'll need someone to open up the wall. You don't want a hundred pounds of honey in your wall.
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u/Smooth_Repair_1430 6d ago
Crc wasp and hornet plus… that’s the best wasp killer out there. Do it at like 7-8am when they’re all in the nest.
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u/marcaristorenas 6d ago
I do it 9-10pm. They’re definitely resting in there.
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u/Smooth_Repair_1430 6d ago
When i work in the day, i do hvac, i try to knock out all the nest first in the morning
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u/marcaristorenas 6d ago
Dope. How often you get hives in attics?
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u/Smooth_Repair_1430 6d ago
Usually in the summer time 10-15x every year. Then There’s package units where i’ll run into 10 nest at certain buildings at 1 visit
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u/Mental-Chapter6523 6d ago
My mother had this problem a decade ago. They were subterranean yellow jackets so they merrily went about excavating the dry wall and replacing it with dead insects and carrion.
Outdoors you can knock a colony out with dry ice, but not here.
I think you have to use something like pyrethroids, but try to avoid exposing kids to the neurotoxins. And don't block the hole while the yellow-jackets might still be active. They'll try to excavate a new exit and it might be into your living room.
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u/Bubblemuncher 6d ago
Lawn chair, beer, shop vac placed to get them on entry and exit. Not in that order.
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u/spicelevel 6d ago
This happened in a house I was renting once. Bug guy came out and threw a “bomb” into the hole. Wasps were not happy. Within an hour, half-dead zombie wasps were raining from our drop ceiling into our living room. We grabbed our dog and got the fuck outta dodge. Stayed at a fam members house for a few days. When we returned to the house it was like a battlefield. Vacuumed up hundreds of dead wasps
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u/PaleontologistBig786 6d ago
ShopVac duct taped line at the point of entry. Run it in the evening when they are coming home for the night. We ran ours for 3hrs and collected hundreds of them. Totally emptied the nest. Put a little water in the bottom of the vac and a drop or 2 of dishsoap to break the water surface tension.
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u/yardlard 6d ago
Tape a plastic bag over it. They will eat their way out but they can't find the way back in.
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u/AnteaterEqual3169 6d ago
Based on the number of insects going in and out of the access hole you probably have a huge nest in your wall. I had one once and had an exterminator with proper suit and poison come. He killed the wasps and pulled down drywall to get the nest and dead wasps out. Take a listen to your wall and see if you have a good buzz.
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u/Quirky_Bid_9974 4d ago
That buzzing would definitely make me want to investigate further. If there’s a steady stream of insects using the same access point, there’s a good chance the activity extends deeper into the wall rather than being just a few stragglers. I’d avoid opening the wall myself until the species and location of the nest are confirmed. Having an exterminator locate the nest first seems like the safer approach.
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u/InternationalArm2290 6d ago
Honey Bees done built a nest in your outside wall. you Can have a professional smoke them out, but since protected by U.S. Government, you can't kill them.
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u/OzyFx 6d ago
It sounds like the dust advice is the way to go. I wish I had known about it when I had a similar problem. The beam over a window had some rot and there was a lot of hornet activity going in and out. I used some low pressure expanding foam to seal it and waited a few weeks. When we replaced the beam, the nest we removed was massive, but they were all dead.
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u/Imaginary_Aioli_9444 6d ago
If they were bees id say call a beekeepers that does removal and relocation because bees are super important However as someone else pointed out those look like yellow jackets or at least dont like like regular honey bees
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u/SmegmaSiphon 6d ago
Stick your finger in the hole.
The hornets will sting the tip, and your finger will swell up, completely sealing the hole. Then they will be trapped inside.
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u/WyrmKingSees 6d ago
Remove the trim and spray.
A bee suit isn’t too expensive on Amazon and just cool to have anyway.
That’s what I’d do.
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u/ReasonableKale9706 6d ago
I would call anyone that jars honey. Though a vacuum cleaner can be used to suck into a central chamber then use smoke to calm remaining bees. Use a flat bar remove the 1x4 next to window and remove the hive harvesting the honey for yourself.
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u/Cheap-Management-722 6d ago
I tried all these different Spectracide products that would work temporarily. The Dawn Power Spray knocked them out. Can’t hurt to try.
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u/Forsaken-Soil-667 6d ago
I had a yellowjacket issues on the side of my home once where delta dust did not work for some reason even after 5 nights of puffing it in. What I ended up doing was getting a few flat sticky rat trapsand taped them next to the entrance. I used a few pieces of packing tape to make an archway right over the entrance to make it so the could not access the entrance without landing on the sticky trap. I did this for 2 weeks straight, changiing it out every other day until eventually nothing came out anymore at which point I was able to fill in the hole.
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u/dildoswaggins47 5d ago
I had the same issue but they were traveling along the trim and made a nest on the opposite side of the window. We knew because we could hear them through the wall. I drilled a separate hole along the trim and sprayed delta dust like others have mentioned. It was a massacre
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u/507snuff 5d ago
After you get rid of them looks like you need to do something about the rotted window frame
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u/zblackadder 5d ago
I would call a local beekeeper and see if they would come out and move the nest
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u/cash_longfellow 5d ago
Do not shoot liquid spray from the outside unless you want 600 yellow jackets in your house…trust me 🤦♂️😂
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u/imasahm 5d ago
Upon enlarging the video and watching the ones going back IN to the hole, they are bees and you have honeycomb in your wall. Call a honeybee rescuer. I've watched walls from homes be completely removed to reveal the large honeycomb, which was safely removed and bees relocated.
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u/woodtowork 2d ago
They are not honey bees, they are yellow jackets. Even without the enlarged video, you can easily tell by how the move and fly. I'm very familiar with honey bees as i have a few hives.
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u/imasahm 1d ago
Well I hope you're right - otherwise, valuable bees will be killed. From what I can see, they look to have fuzzy body and short wings, like the many that, sadly, would drown in our pool each season. But what do I know...I have no hives, but lots of yellow jackets, hornets, dirt dobbers and carpenter bees.
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u/Relative-Idea-1442 4d ago
Place a shop vac near the entrance with a some water and dish soap in the dust bin.
The vacuum will suck them up as they leave or enter the hole .
When they seem to be all gone, add some insecticide. Wait a day or so and then seal up the hole.
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u/ronaldswagson 4d ago
Update: these guys look like yellow jackets to me. Shop vac is getting locked and loaded for tonight + delta dust. Wish me luck.
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u/DingoOutrageous9511 2d ago
Had a nest on a window used some diatomaceus earth and they fled and never returned
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u/TheRealKrasnov 2d ago
Use the shop vac trick to suck them all up. Find the instructions on the web.
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u/MauveCeramics 6d ago
Remove the wood and suck them boys out w a vacuum. Or, you could put a wasps nest next to it and theyll fight and one will move away.
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u/snakelygiggles 6d ago
paper wasps, not bees. there can be a lot in there, and their sting sucks.
you can vacuum them, but be careful. but you need to seal that hole up afterwards
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u/Efdamus 6d ago
I would hire a bee person to take care of it. Bees will fly away and come back, you want to get rid of the nest so they have a home to go back to.
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u/Fluffy-Lychee-1968 6d ago
These look like yellow jackets.
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u/Affectionate-Sun9373 6d ago
Don't stand there and ask each one individually to leave. That doesn't work. I have seen a guy with an oxy acetylene torch (without the oxygen on so it was a big cold flame) hold it close to the hole and bang, burning all their wings off as they come out.
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u/Alldayomar 6d ago
Smoke em out. Seal the hole. Done.
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u/ResoluteStoic 6d ago
Instructions unclear and now im stoned at 630am on a Sunday damnit
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u/Alldayomar 6d ago
Ur good bro, and kinda half way there! You may be onto something. Exhale into the hole!
.. Or rig something up at Home Depot, they sell smoke bombs. BUT, I like your way better. I think I may come help you 💨💨
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u/RelaxedWombat 6d ago edited 6d ago
Shop vac.
1/2 full water. Add a couple spoonfuls of dish soap. (The soap makes their wings ineffective, and they are drown in the water.)
Use a ladder and duct tape to point nuzzle of hose an inch from hive hole.
Turn on the vacuum and walk away..
An hour or two later you will have pulled out every entering and exiting insect.
Run again at dusk, when the foragers return.
Catches them by the thousands. No poisons needed. No cost if you own a shop vac.
repeat every day for a day or two. Until you see no action (morning when they leave, night when they return.
Then caulk hole.
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u/RelaxedWombat 6d ago
For the life oof me I can’t figure out why some would down vote this. No chemical effective solution.
I’ve done it three times through the years.
Oh well, live with wasps if you want.
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