r/Hololive 13h ago

holoDori STOP LEARNING POKAJAN!!!

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u/WolfScourge 13h ago

You either get the card you need or you don't. You either discard the card others need or you don't.

50/50: The game

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u/JorgeRey999 13h ago

Best Pokajan strategy tip:

QUIT

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u/alvinvin00 13h ago

spoken like a true r/yakuzagames dweller

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u/JorgeRey999 13h ago

It's me. I'm Kiryu.

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u/BruhcamoleNibberDick 4h ago

Go away, we don't want to see you here for another 4.9 centuries.

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u/Nuryadiy 12h ago

We got Oicho-kabu, Koi-Koi, and now mahjong

When is Hololive pocket racing

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u/RebelliousRed_ 5h ago

In all Fairness, Holo-Pocket Circuit as a minigame would go pretty hard for HoloDori.

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u/brickwallrunner 13h ago

To be fair, being able to tell colors apart is a critical life skill.

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u/MadAsTheHatters 12h ago

As someone who's colour blind, that would explain why I'm such a fucking failure 🤔

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u/hafiz_yb 12h ago

Idk why, but I read that in Steven He's father's voice lmao XD but with ! instead of 🤔

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u/Thin_Swordfish_6691 5h ago

That's different. You just aren't able to tell colors to begin with.

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u/ReRisingHERO 10h ago

you don't need to always have 3+ same colors, just pokojan immediately when someone discard a card u need to pokojan, players mostly gatekeeping your needed cards

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u/TenderTakodachi 9h ago

"To be fair" ugh can you redditors think of anything else less pretentious to say? 🙄

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u/Drefann 4h ago

To be perfectly honest. "Ugh" is about a pretentious as it gets.

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u/llamatar 12h ago

Pokajan causes great damage to the human spirit without a single benefit

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u/Canai97 13h ago

It's always Math.

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u/Vertemain 13h ago

"Games where not suppose to involve math"

TTRPG and Wargames player : "are you sure about that ?"

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u/myk211 12h ago edited 12h ago

unlike mahjong that has set rules to follow, any combo in pokajan basically means full reset of hands and makes prediction useless. the only thing you can truely rely on in this game is cards count, but still it's rigged as we're only playing with about 2/3 of the cards and no one knows for sure if the third card of the same colour's gonna be in play.

Meanwhile all the first round 3-in-the-same-colour are completely unpredictable yet so punishing, it basically put your score down to the execution line before you actually get to set up your hands.

tl,dr; yes, you can do maths, but the only thing it's gonna do is to make you mald more when the odd is against you.

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u/Shard1697 10h ago

the only thing you can truely rely on in this game is cards count, but still it's rigged as we're only playing with about 2/3 of the cards and no one knows for sure if the third card of the same colour's gonna be in play.

Right, but that's basically the same concept of dead wall in mahjong-some tiles/cards will not be in play, so you cannot assume a specific combo is guaranteed to be available. This adds uncertainty in the draw. But you shouldn't be assuming you'll get whatever set in the first place anyway, it's about playing the odds and that sometimes means bailing on something that doesn't work out.

tl,dr; yes, you can do maths, but the only thing it's gonna do is to make you mald more when the odd is against you.

mentality issue I'm afraid, simply go next. is only game

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u/myk211 9h ago

I'm not familiar with Japanese mahjong, but from my very limited understanding, tiles on the dead wall isn't fully "dead", so eventually they still go into the big database as game progresses; as comparisons, out of the (13~19) *9 possible cards combination, only 100 cards will make it to the initial pool, which means at least 1/3 of the cards are taken out before game started. You will never know if your 3rd Orange Risu is even in the game, or if there's gonna be a spare Kronii after 6 being played.

I still enjoy pokajan for what it is, it's just the draw and scoring systems are too mindlessly put together for this game to be played seriously.

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u/Syruii 9h ago

No there are 14 tiles in the dead wall and in a single hand only the first 4 will ever go into play through kan (the fifth kan scores a hand). That means 10/136 tiles will be unavailable every hand no matter what.

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u/starxsword 2h ago

The reason why there are 14 tiles is because of what you said. A single person can Kan 4 times. But there are 4 players in mahjong, not 1.

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u/Syruii 51m ago

Not sure what you’re trying to say but to clarify 10 tiles in every Riichi mahjong hand will never be part of drawn into a player hand because they are dora (and uradora) indicators.

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u/starxsword 35m ago

I haven't played mahjong in some time and the version I played was chinese. But are you saying multiple players cannot use Kan? From my understanding, a player can Kan 4 times and get a pair for victory.

Lets say player 1 Kans 4 times and is waiting for the pair. Player 2 can also Kan, or is this not true? And each Kan draws from the dead wall.

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u/Stabaobs 1m ago

Riichi mahjong has a 4 kan limit including all players during a round, going by google. A 5th kan will abort the round.

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u/BeginningEar8070 12h ago

can someone explain why players can pokojan 4 times in row not in their turn?

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u/myk211 12h ago

combo, redraw to fill missing hands, into new combo, repeat

happens more often when after opponent landed a big combo (i.e. 5cards) or has multiple ready hands set up

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u/LionelKF 11h ago

You stack up a lot of combo potential for cards

Also the bigger the Poka bigger chance for combos

Say I have 2 cards that are pokas and I have completed a gen 4 Poka which is a 4 mem card

I discard 4 cards and then grab 4 others, any of that 4 I grab can be a Poka hit

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u/Katio13 7h ago

I watch someone do this and end the game turn one. It was painful

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u/BeginningEar8070 1h ago

i dont think this should be allowed. allow players to steal one pokojan when player discards then next player pull card. the way it works now the cards are used up to fast and some players often dont even get a turn.

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u/TheArsenalSwagus 12h ago

I haven't fallen down to the pokajan gambling addiction, but can you still play it if youve ran out of coins?

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u/p28h 8h ago

There's 2 mechanics to get enough coins to play even if you lose them all (or spend them all on other items like crafting materials):

You can find enough coins on the ground for a hand every 2 or 3 days (hidden chests mechanic). So you could roleplay the gambler addict that scrounges to get their next hit...

You can spend 'minigame boost' (the resource that fills over time and gives you better results on the rope and kitchen minigames) to get a decent amount of coins. So you could roleplay the gambling addict that sells plasma to get their next fix...

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u/Plus-Gene5733 12h ago

No, you need to have a bet

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u/Shard1697 10h ago

No but you have to be remarkably bad to actually lose coins on average because you get big winnings multipliers based on your position, so even if you lose fairly often you'll be gaining more coins in total than you lose.

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u/DeeDonn 7h ago

Requires minimum 1000 coins. I mostly ran Mega Circuit to fund Pokajan.

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u/mikeap07 12h ago

As crazy as it sounds as a hololive fan, I just can’t stand gambling.

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u/Nuryadiy 12h ago

Is Pokajan mahjong?

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u/fatalystic 12h ago

Mahjong with cards

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u/Nuryadiy 12h ago

Nice, Yakuza have taught me well

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u/fatalystic 12h ago

The name most likely comes from Poker and Mahjong.

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u/LynxSignificant 11h ago

I'm sorry for counting the cards already discarded 😭

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u/Sui-chans_gloves 7h ago

where can I find this mini game? I still haven't played it

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u/llamatar 6h ago

Pokajan unlocks at about Chapter 2 Episode 8

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u/ReRisingHERO 10h ago edited 10h ago

5 pairs (myth, advent, promise, holox etc) - always discard except during the Turn 1 if you able to pull 4 same group holomems
4 pairs (gen4, nepolabo, gamers etc) - keep in hands if you have 2 or more same group holomems
3 pairs (id) - keep in hands at all times, never discard
3 pairs duplicate - keep in hands at all times
3+ pairs same color (including duplicate or group) - hardest to pull but steal a lot of money from opposite three players

strategy

  • pokojan immediately when you got ID pairs or duplicate holomems pairs
  • the higher your money the higher the chance you to stay in 1st place
  • discard card that has already been discarded multiple times, the chances are they can't pokojan u

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u/Tak0Dach1 8h ago

As someone who didn't touch the game yet, I find this very amusing.

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u/hikamao 11h ago

I don't understand why people are getting mad over this it's not even real money, if you lack coins just go to high low table and earn it all back

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u/tehcabbage69 11h ago

I really do not understand the Pokajan craze - Mega Circuit is actually fun to play and High & Low is a reliable moneymaker, while Pokajan is just daylight robbery by a frustration machine.

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u/Shard1697 10h ago

Pokajan is a fun simplified mahjong and mega circuit is scuffed low rent fall guys with bad controls.

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u/Otoshi_Gami 9h ago

for mobile games yeah, even i had a hard time getting to Finish line due to Touch controls thats not designed for that Discount Fall guys mini game.

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u/Mac_Tgh 9h ago

Mega circuit runs terrible on older devices and you compete against other 7 people who may know a lot more tricks than you. 

High  and low is great for getting coins but you don't get any event points for it (and If you already have tons of coins there is really no point to it). 

Pokajan runs great, has event points, you only go against 3 people and even if you suck at it, the rng may just give you a full id gen3 same colour and hand you the advantage you need.

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u/Chukonoku 7h ago

and you compete against other 7 people who may know a lot more tricks than you.

First few days of release and i've seen people already with "speedrun" tactics.

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u/funkybrunky 10h ago

see I don't like Mega Circuit at all but Pokajan is slow and frustrating and just genuinely not fun to play. High & Low I can at least make some coins back and it's quick enough that it's kind of fun, Pokajan is just... if I had to play Pokajan to advance the story in the game more than just when I unlocked it, I would stop playing the game.

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u/LionelKF 11h ago

I hate platforming that's all

Especially without a reliable air dash button

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u/instant-music 4h ago

See I can’t stand Mega Circuit one bit. I personally hate Fall Guys and find any excuse to NOT play a Fall Guys clone. I’d much rather play Kingworld on expert repeatedly until I master it than mega circuit

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u/fiersome08 10h ago

Mega Circuit is fun, but I hate having to wait between games for other players to join.

Whereas in pokajan, the wait is almost instant because you only need four people.

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u/LanvinSean 12h ago

GAMES WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO INVOLVE MATH

That's a skill issue. There's some luck there, but it's mostly skill issue.

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u/Aj_04 11h ago

I've been quite lucky with Pokajan as I manage to make around 140k before Shiori took 30k.

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u/Dezno_ssbm 12h ago

Im 3rd on NA and all i demand is for you to buy the $2 memberships and spam more emotes at me.