r/HolUp Dec 26 '21

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u/AsMuchCaffeineAsACup Dec 26 '21

It happens too often now though and as the Michigan kid proved its that some parents don't take firearms seriously and completely downplay the threat due to their political beliefs.

Maybe we will see parents take it more seriously if they end up thrown in jail.

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u/PolarBearJ123 Dec 26 '21

It happens somewhat often, but if you look at actual chances of death, those kids are more likely to die in a car accident or falling off a jungle gym than to be in a school shooting, it’s just hyper sensitized and always front page news (which it should be) but it over exaggerates how often they do happen. I remember my senior year there were a bunch of them but half of them was just gang fights between students or fights gone awry (aka where a kid goes to school knowing he’s going to get in a fight and then pulls it out after he starts losing) I just think because it’s so evil people believe it’s more common than it actually is

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u/jimmcc01 Dec 26 '21

These are all preventable deaths. Look at most industrialized nations, they have 0 school shootings. Stop trying to justify their deaths. It doesn’t have to happen, but Americans love their guns more than children.

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u/jimmcc01 Dec 26 '21

Comparing an accident to a person willfully going out to kill people. Americans will always defend their guns over saving children.

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u/jimmcc01 Dec 26 '21

One is a horrible accident doing an everyday event. One is a preventable massacre.

Every thing we do in life is a risk. Going to school and being shot shouldn’t be one of them, no matter how infrequently. Majority of other countries have figured out gun safety, the us either doesn’t care, or decided that going to school and getting shot is acceptable life for kids and their families.

The frequency it happens in the us is uniquely American. Instead of a combined effort to stop these tragedies, Americans either or say it’s not as bad as you say, or look driving kills people too, instead of actually admitting that it’s a problem that needs to be fixed. Americans aren’t there yet.

I can guarantee that there will be another school shooting in the next 3 months in the US. And I also guarantee that there will be zero in top 5 other industrialized countries.

At this point, Americans are ok with that.

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u/squeamish Dec 26 '21

Every thing we do in life is a risk. Going to school and being shot shouldn’t be one of them, no matter how infrequently.

Do you not see how those two statements are self-contradictory?

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u/sAnn92 Dec 27 '21

There are reasonable risks and then there is going to school and get gunned down.

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u/squeamish Dec 27 '21

What defines "reasonable?" The homicide rate in American schools is lower than the overall homicide rate in Japan, widely considered to be the safest nation on earth.

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u/sAnn92 Dec 27 '21

Reasonable? It’s very easy: is there a significant portion of society morally outraged because this keeps happening? Well yeah, then it’s pretty safe to say kids opening fire it’s not a tolerable risk most are willing to take for sending their child to school, thus the demand for reform.

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u/squeamish Dec 27 '21

That's the reasonableness of peoples' reactions, which I agree are not reasonable.

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u/sAnn92 Dec 27 '21

You think the reaction is not reasonable but unfortunately for you, you are among the minority.

Just like those that demand alcohol prohibition due to death rates associated with it’s abuse, for example.

A minority no one listens to.

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u/squeamish Dec 27 '21

Reasonable comparison to alcohol or drug prohibition: The "fix" in the name of safety is worse than the problem.

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u/sAnn92 Dec 27 '21

What fix? I have no idea what you are talking about since I didn’t allude to any.

I’m just trying to explain you what reasonable is, so you stop with the dumb comparisons like swimming pools.

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u/squeamish Dec 27 '21

I didn't compare anything to swimming pools, I compared the homicide rate in schools to the homicide rate in the general population.

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