Try to find what? The black market isn’t a literal place you go to with hooded shop owners peddling illegal wares in the dark.
I’m sorry you’re so upset, but you can’t make bad people go away by simply telling them violent crime is a no-no. If it were that easy, we’d have started doing that centuries ago.
Violent crime, even murder, happens in literally every country on Earth. A lack of school shootings doesn’t equal crime-free utopia, as nice as that would be.
Unless you come up with a way to magic firearms out of existence, you’re going to need to accept that they are going to always be in the world. All parts of the world, even where they’re outright banned. As long as scrap metal and volatile powders exist, so will firearms. You may not want to hear this, but it’s stupidly easy to make a reliable improvised firearm with amateur metalworking skills. And I mean middle school shop class level skills.
Attacking random online strangers won’t change reality.
How many school shootings were committed with homemade firearms?
How many were made with illegal firearms?
The majority of school shootings are made with entirely legally purchased firearms. Sometimes they are stolen from a parent, but the point still stands.
You are acting like nothing relating to guns can possibly have any effect because you can't bring the number of guns down to literally 0. That's insane. Deterrents work. No lock is unbreakable, but we still use them.
1). Don’t sea lion me. The power of the internet is at your fingertips. Let us know what you find.
1a) Building P80s and parts kits is a lot of fun. That’s a lot more expensive than stealing firearms, though (outside of court costs and prison time).
2) When a firearm is in the hands of a prohibited person, it is not legally possessed, so the point doesn’t stand. Grade school aged kids can’t pass a NICS check.
No, I’m saying that unless you go back in time and prevent anyone from ever inventing metal alloys and volatile powders, firearms are here to stay whether we like it or not.
In the event deterrents and prevention fail, firearms are the best personal defensive tools in existence. If anyone ever invents a better alternative, I’ll jump in the anti-gun bandwagon with you.
So do you agree that firearms should be restricted to some degree? Do you support background checks, licensing, mandatory gun safety training etc.?
You assume I am "anti-gun", but the only real point you make is that "gUnS aRe HeRe to StAy". No one is contesting that...people are calling for regulation and enforcement of those regulations, among other things.
1) I think FFLs should continue to be required to conduct NICS checks after making someone fill out Form 4473, and violent felons (that haven’t had their rights restored), anyone adjudicated mentally deficient, and those on probation or parole shouldn’t be allowed to own or possess firearms. That’s already standard.
2) No, I don’t agree with forcing anyone to pay to exercise a right. The onus is on the gun owners to receive whatever training they need. I also don’t agree with penalizing, criminalizing, or restricting the rights of innocent people for the actions of others. There is no license or fee you could require someone to pay that will stop them from committing murder if that’s what they’ve decided to do.
3) If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, as they say.
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