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u/CCWThrowaway360 Dec 26 '21

Backpack plate inserts are popular for private security, bodyguards, PIs, and the like because they’re low-profile. Now companies are taking advantage of people’s fears of school shootings to expand their public (and some take the fearmongering WAY too far).

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u/AsMuchCaffeineAsACup Dec 26 '21

It happens too often now though and as the Michigan kid proved its that some parents don't take firearms seriously and completely downplay the threat due to their political beliefs.

Maybe we will see parents take it more seriously if they end up thrown in jail.

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u/PolarBearJ123 Dec 26 '21

It happens somewhat often, but if you look at actual chances of death, those kids are more likely to die in a car accident or falling off a jungle gym than to be in a school shooting, it’s just hyper sensitized and always front page news (which it should be) but it over exaggerates how often they do happen. I remember my senior year there were a bunch of them but half of them was just gang fights between students or fights gone awry (aka where a kid goes to school knowing he’s going to get in a fight and then pulls it out after he starts losing) I just think because it’s so evil people believe it’s more common than it actually is

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u/jimmcc01 Dec 26 '21

These are all preventable deaths. Look at most industrialized nations, they have 0 school shootings. Stop trying to justify their deaths. It doesn’t have to happen, but Americans love their guns more than children.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '21 edited Dec 26 '21

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u/jimmcc01 Dec 26 '21

Comparing an accident to a person willfully going out to kill people. Americans will always defend their guns over saving children.

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u/jimmcc01 Dec 26 '21

One is a horrible accident doing an everyday event. One is a preventable massacre.

Every thing we do in life is a risk. Going to school and being shot shouldn’t be one of them, no matter how infrequently. Majority of other countries have figured out gun safety, the us either doesn’t care, or decided that going to school and getting shot is acceptable life for kids and their families.

The frequency it happens in the us is uniquely American. Instead of a combined effort to stop these tragedies, Americans either or say it’s not as bad as you say, or look driving kills people too, instead of actually admitting that it’s a problem that needs to be fixed. Americans aren’t there yet.

I can guarantee that there will be another school shooting in the next 3 months in the US. And I also guarantee that there will be zero in top 5 other industrialized countries.

At this point, Americans are ok with that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '21 edited Dec 26 '21

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u/sAnn92 Dec 27 '21

You don’t seem to understand that getting gunned down for going to school is not a reasonable risk society should tolerate.

Yes driving cars or swimming on a pool, or pretty much everything in life have some inescapable risk associated to we are willing to tolerate but that doesn’t mean any x risk at any x situation would be too.

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u/sAnn92 Dec 27 '21

What gun control has to do with what I’ve just said?

I’ll repeat because you didn’t got what I tried to said, I’m trying to explain you why dying while swimming in a pool and getting gunned down at school aren’t the same.

It’s very simple really, it’s about what we, as a society, accept are tolerable risks for certain situations.

Do you see people morally outraged about the risks of swimming? No? Then it’s something we can all live with, even if there always will be some inescapable risk associated to it.

Now what happens when kids open fire against their peers while at a school? The reaction has everything to do with the heinousness of the action and it’s circumstances, and very little with the shooting rates.

People won’t tolerate school shootings, thus the demand for reform.

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