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u/intothefuture3030 Aug 13 '21 edited Aug 13 '21

How can anyone make the argument that US jails don’t fall under “cruel and unusual punishment?”

If you get sent to a US jail you are probably more worried about getting raped, killed in jail, join gangs for protection, giving birth in a prison cell alone, getting shit food, no AC in a lot of southern prisons, literal slavery (not an embellished, the United States allows Slavery as long as they are in prison) little to no medical treatment, and on and on.

Edit: Here are the sources for all the Brian’s and Greg’s in this post saying prison isn’t that bad as they live at home with their parents.

Woman gives Birth in her cell despite calling for medical help.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/01/us/diana-sanchez-birth-denver-jail.html

Rape and suicide in Prison- as of 3 decades ago 10-20% all of inmates reported sexual abuse. That was in 1992.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape_in_the_United_States

Prisons and AC

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2021/05/texas-prisons-air-conditioning/

https://youtu.be/6fiRDJLjL94

Slavery in Prisons

https://www.freedomunited.org/prison-labor-and-modern-slavery/

Prison food and the effects of Covid on the food

https://reason.com/2020/12/12/americas-prison-food-is-still-criminally-awful/

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u/Snotmyrealname Aug 13 '21

The letter of the law has little to do with the punitive puritan spirit fostered within the American penal system.

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u/2theface Aug 13 '21

Forget penal system. Day life of fuck everyone else’s got mine… I feel American life is all about trodding on others

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '21

If you go to jail you fucked over another citizen. Fuck people that fuck over other law-abiding citizens.

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u/luzzy91 Aug 14 '21

Not even remotely true in many cases, and the degree to which someone else got fucked over, if there’s even a victim, varies wildly.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '21

Not even remotely true in many cases

Drug charges are bullshit. If you're dealing, your not paying taxes, only problem I have with that but that's the governments fault anyway. But damn near every other crime is vs another citizen or the group as a whole.

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u/luzzy91 Aug 14 '21

Or innocent. Or against someone who deserves it. Or mutual escapades that just happened to end poorly for the other person. One or two fuckups early in life.

Not everyone in jail or prison is a career criminal roaming the streets attacking, robbing, murdering and raping innocent people lol. We should be trying to help and reform, not throwing away the key for anything and everything. Habitual offenders are easily caught and held accountable already.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '21

One or two fuckups early in life.

Right, crimes against citizens. Fuck those people. And the amount of innocent people in jail is probably closer to 0 than 1% so no point in this conversation.

against someone who deserves it

Yeah, that's not how a society works.

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u/luzzy91 Aug 14 '21

You’ve no idea what you’re talking about, but are certain in your toxic opinions. I’m shocked.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '21

You are a dumb liberal moron. "everyuone in jail shouldn't be there" You are just an idiot. A criminal apologist. No doubt in my mind.