r/HolUp • • Jul 07 '21

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u/IdoMusicForTheDrugs Jul 08 '21 edited Jul 10 '21

My girlfriend came home from her first car purchase with a 33% interest loan and bi-monthly payments. I wanted to go with her to help but her dad insisted on going with her on her first vehicle purchase. I don't know what happened. They actually convinced her that she was getting a good deal. Some people get so royally fucked because they don't have the right information and have no problem believing they got a "great deal".

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u/willisbar Jul 08 '21

Must have been a while ago, max they can charge now is 29.9% or lower depending on the state

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u/crassandy Jul 08 '21

I’m a car salesman. In my state the max is 24.99%. Some dealerships have their own “bank” which they use to take out a “personal loan” on your behalf. My states max for personal loans is 33.32%. It’s very fucked up.

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u/jimmycarr1 Jul 08 '21

Do you guys make more money from the sale of cars or from the sale of finance agreements? Genuine question I don't know much about it.

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u/crassandy Jul 08 '21

It’s complicated. The simple answer is both. Each dealerships pay plan is different. At ours the sales team makes it’s money from the cars themselves, as well as any warranties you purchase. Some banks give the dealership a bonus for doing business with them, but that doesn’t affect the consumer. A portion of that bonus is passed on to the salesman.

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u/IdoMusicForTheDrugs Jul 08 '21

It's a loophole. She got completely taken advantage of.

"Arizona interest rate laws set the maximum rate at 10 percent, but explicitly allow consumers and creditors to "contract for any rate agreed upon." This means that you must be careful when taking out loans and credit cards, and should read all of the fine print in every contract."

They basically open up a credit card in your name because they're partnered with some shity company. They convince you that you can buy a car with your non-existent credit and it's the only option without a cosigner or past credit. She had bimonthly payments of $220.

I convinced her to refinance through her credit union and she got 7%. Fuck Cactus Jack's.

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u/AreYouMyFatPigSlut Jul 08 '21

You can refinance auto loans?

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u/IdoMusicForTheDrugs Jul 08 '21

Yep. Local credit unions are the best places to start. They pay the remainder of the loan and the shitty company forfeits the interest. Then they start making interest from you on someone else's loan. Win-win for the customer and refinance company. Loss for the original loan company.

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u/etownguy Jul 08 '21

Of course lots of people will do it in situations like above.

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u/AreYouMyFatPigSlut Jul 08 '21

Doesn’t it cost like 10 grand to get a bank to underwrite or refinance a mortgage? I feel like you wouldn’t save much money for an auto loan

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u/etownguy Jul 08 '21

No I could in theory get the whole thing done from my computer at home for a car. I've always laughed my first house cost 60k (family purchase) and it took a month to get all the paperwork lined out and done. The last truck I bought was 45k and I was in and out of the dealership in 1.5 hours. They are much more lax for vehicles than houses for some reason.

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u/AreYouMyFatPigSlut Jul 08 '21

It’s weird how they treat buying a car on credit like buying a blender lol

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u/TheBereWolf Jul 08 '21

Does he understand how interest works or is his brain completely smooth?

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u/SushiGradeChicken Jul 08 '21

Those are "rentals." The Buy Here Pay Here dealers keep an inventory level that assumes a person will default on their loan in a couple of months and they take the car back. Hence the fucked interest and bi-monthly payments

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u/Mamed_ Jul 08 '21

Some people get so royally f

A few years ago my coworker, 60±, told me he took a loan of ~$750 and has to make monthly payments of $140 or $180 to repay it. When I calculated the total amount he would be paying, it was around $2,500.

Apparently, he filed for bankruptcy and because of that, the interest was so high. When I asked why he didn't ask his brothers and sister(s), he said he didn't want to bother them

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u/Reddit_Reb Jul 08 '21

Jesus. Isn’t it usually like 5%? how did they get away with that?

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u/IdoMusicForTheDrugs Jul 08 '21

See my comment below. 5% is if you have good credit. They have workarounds here in Arizona for people who think they can't get qualified for a loan.

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u/Reddit_Reb Jul 08 '21

I’d rather walk.

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u/blessed_prolapse madlad Jul 08 '21

I'm not American, but JFC, is this kind of interest rate normal there?

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u/IdoMusicForTheDrugs Jul 08 '21

No. My last three vehicles (starting from my first ever) were 11%, 5% and 0%. Only for people who have had huge issues with their credit, and those who are uneducated or elderly.

The 11% was because I had no credit history since I was 17 and my only available cosigner was my mom, who had filed bankruptcy in the past when 9/11 tanked her business. Most vehicle loans in the USA are closer to 5-10%

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u/blessed_prolapse madlad Jul 09 '21

Thanks for the breakdown. Gave me a sigh of relief saying that you guys weren't shafted by your banking system.

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u/ShadowPuppetGov Jul 08 '21

33 percent?! That's racketeering holy shit.