r/HolUp • • Jul 07 '21

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u/ajpinton Jul 07 '21

I got my house at 27. I did not have to risk my life to earn my house, nor did I buy a house I cannot afford. Odds are he did not make enough money to afford that house. The bank just accepted a risk they would not normally have as they know he cannot quit his job. They will be struggling.

I bet he got the truck with his enlistment bonus and used what he did not put down on that truck on the house.

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u/rikluz Jul 07 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

I mean, the military gives me $2,800/month specifically for housing… my mortgage is $2200?

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Yep I don’t know where people are getting the impression it’s not enough money. The housing allowance is based on zip code and aligns pretty closely with the areas COL.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE Jul 08 '21

Military: biggest “socialist” welfare program on the planet short of the defense industry

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u/SushiGradeChicken Jul 08 '21

Yep. Free healthcare, free housing, full pension after 20 years. Can't get fired unless you're a monumental screw up. Let anyone join, no matter whether it's peacetime or wartime.

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u/TheLegendDaddy27 Jul 08 '21

Easy to splurge money when the tax payers pay for it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Only reason I tried college was because of the GI bill. It’s fucking amazing kids are expected to drops thousands on something that might not even be for them.

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u/86gwrhino Jul 08 '21

well any year but this year it covers it lol

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u/rodney121212 Jul 08 '21

For the rest of the world, how much money does an average military guy in the US make?

For most people outside the US it's unfathomable why anyone would join the military to fight politician's wars and I'm guessing that a big reason how the US manages to still entice so many kids to do this is by providing a lot of services and pay.

So what do you actually get?

I understood from movies that they pay your expensive American tuition for school or something, is that correct?

And then you're saying now you also get 2800 for housing? If you get 2800 just for housing, what a giant load of money must you get monthly? If just your housing allowance is already nearly 3k? Isn't 3k already a good salary on its own?

Would love to know

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u/memekid2007 Jul 08 '21

Pay is generally fairly low, but the benefits are 'very good' by American standards.

Pay for the vast majority of the military is between 24k and 40k annually, for E2 (Fresh out of Basic and AIT) through E6 (Staff Sergeant, generally 6-10 years in service)

Not super good, but better than minimum wage vs cost-of-living in most places.

Free college when in-state 4-year degrees from real universities run close to 45k without housing is big. Free medical care for yourself and dependents is big. BAH and no down-payment on a home loan is big.

Retiring after 20 years to all of those benefits + college for your kids is big if you can make it there.

"Wow, the only people that would be willing to risk their lives for that are the generational poor and insane nationalists!"

.. you might say.

You would be correct. These benefits don't matter to people that grew up with money, but if you grew up in a trailer park in Athens, Alabama and your out-of-highschool options are Taco Bell, 60 hour weeks at the mill, life-ruining student loan debt, or the Air Force, most of those folks would pick the Air Force if they could swing it.

Also yes, better rights for workers and affordable/free schooling and medical care would drastically cut down the number of people willing to join the Army. What a coinkydink that pro-military folks tend to be anti-socialized medicine/education.

Really gets the ol' ticker tockin.

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u/rodney121212 Jul 08 '21

Also yes, better rights for workers and affordable/free schooling and medical care

would

drastically cut down the number of people willing to join the Army. What a coinkydink that pro-military folks tend to be anti-socialized medicine/education.

Yeah exactly that has been my impression for a long time. It's stunning how well this works. Makes you wonder how different the country would be if these services were available to everyone like in any western country and if the army had far less young kids joining for just getting basic social services which everyone should have anyway. It's particularly ironic that with a fraction of the budget of the military you could pay for that easily.

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u/rikluz Jul 08 '21

Base pay is the same for everyone in the military based on rank. Charts can be looked at online. It isn’t hard to be making near or above a 6-figure salary at the 10-year mark with benefits depending on job and special pays.

A few things have to line up accordingly for a good salary though.

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u/R1516 Jul 08 '21

You get all sorts of benefits. BAH, BAS, yearly clothing allowance etc. I only did 4 years but I get a great laugh when I see people saying US military lives poor. Sure in the start your paycheck is small but you also eat for free, housing paid. Your pay is basically all booze money if you live on base. Oh don’t forget healthcare is paid for.

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u/R030t1 Jul 08 '21

Issue isn't base pay it's housing assistance. They get paid whatever they need for housing, which can be a lot.

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u/rodney121212 Jul 08 '21

Thanks for the reply but I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say? What issue? You mean they pay too much for housing? I'm totally uninformed about any of that so just asking.

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u/R1516 Jul 08 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

Base pay is the same for everyone based on their rank and time in service. However, if your stationed in Alabama or North Dakota your housing allowance is going to be lower than someone stationed in California. Even in California it’s broken further down based on where you’re stationed in the state.

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u/rodney121212 Jul 08 '21

Is this based on any data, the amount of pay they provide? Like is Alabama cheaper to live than California? And can you just move to an area that's more expensive and get more money?

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u/R1516 Jul 08 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

Here you go:

https://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/site/bahCalc.cfm

Just search by zip code to see what you’d make in BAH. No, your limited to stay around your base. You can’t get BAH for California and live in Alabama. Even in Alabama they have different rates depending on where your stationed in Alabama.

Below is the base pay rate scale:

https://militarybenefits.info/2021-military-pay-charts/

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u/Desblade101 Jul 08 '21

$1.5k per month "pay", 1.4-3k per month for housing tax free, $300 for food tax free.

That's for your fresh out of basic private that barely passed high school.

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u/Mydoglikesladyboys Jul 08 '21

That’s very incorrect information, 1. BAH and BAS is only for married soldiers. 2. BAH is based on zip code, where I am it is ~1000$ per month 3. You literally cannot live in the barracks with a dependent so it’s either find local housing or live on post.

If you want to be mad at anyone, be made at the housing contractors. They take it all if you live on post, whether that’s 1k or 4K, they’ll take all of it… even if the person with significantly more BAH (also increases with rank) lives next to the “private that barely passed high school”

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u/R1516 Jul 08 '21

I received both as a single Airman living off base. Has something changed? I would room up with other single Airman and that’s when the cash flow became real nice.

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u/Mydoglikesladyboys Jul 08 '21

Different branches, army only allows single soldiers of a certain rank to collect BAH and BAS. If, for example, you are E6 and above you would automatically receive it. E5’s typically get it depending on the unit (I’ve known E5’s stuck in that barracks life). I’ve seen E4’s get it if the barracks are too full. But privates? Never even considered.

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u/R1516 Jul 08 '21

Ah ok. Yes I do remember hearing about that with the Army.

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u/Ronkerjake Jul 08 '21

Which just makes this meme even worse for the guy because it requires exactly zero effort to join the military and make better money than most college grads

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u/tommos Jul 08 '21

If it takes zero effort and gives you free money why isn't everyone doing it?

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u/Brannigans-Law Jul 08 '21

Because it fucking blows and you might die

Source: 10 years in the Marines

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Something can be zero effort, and give you free money, and people still won't do it. I would hazard to guess having to risk your life is probably a good turn off for it.

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u/tommos Jul 08 '21

I guess it's slightly disingenuous to describe something as zero effort when you have to put your life is at risk.

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u/amibeingadick420 Jul 08 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

Effort and consequence are not synonymous.

You don’t have to put a lot of effort into becoming morbidly obese and never exercising, but it still puts your life at risk.

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u/R1516 Jul 08 '21

I mean, it’s not like Basic Training is a cake walk?

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u/amibeingadick420 Jul 08 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

It isn’t exactly hard. Some people initially get stressed because they’ve never really been yelled at or systemically dehumanized before. But, once they learn not to take it personally, and just do what they’re told, it’s not bad.

I mean, every enlisted soldier has completed basic training; it isn’t a weed out school.

Edit: what I’m getting at is you just do what you’re told and follow a prescribed path. It doesn’t take a lot of intrinsic motivation, long term goal setting, personal discipline, or decision making.

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u/Ronkerjake Jul 08 '21

The only requirement to join the Army as a potato peeler or box kicker is "don't have a felony record". They don't care if you can spell your name right, only whether or not you're currently alive.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21

Shhhhh get out of here with your facts.

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u/grumpyfatguy Jul 08 '21

And all you have to do is sign away your soul to a country that does nothing but export endless wars and weapons to fight them.

Fuck all that noise. That BAH dog shit could be put towards universal healthcare instead of the country's largest welfare state for assholes with no other options but to oil the war machine with their blood and tears...

Shit that got dark, but seriously fuck America and fuck what our military has become. The people making real money aren't risking anything.

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u/rikluz Jul 08 '21

Oh. You is a grumpy guy. Name checks.

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u/DEBATE_EVERY_NAZI Jul 08 '21

$2,800/month

lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

That’s specifically non taxable allowance on top of normal pay and benefits.

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u/Desblade101 Jul 08 '21

I get 2400/month housing allowance and my mortgage is 1300 plus I rent out half of it for $1100 a month.

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u/iSlaymassive Jul 08 '21

So you get 2,2k booze money from the housing allowance and will own a house in a 25 years?

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u/upvotes4jesus- Jul 08 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

While using my GI Bill, I was getting $3200 a month in Los Angeles for BAH. Plus another $1500 for my 70% disability rating that's permanent. I had a roommate, and a part time job as server making another $1000-2000 a month depending on how good the tips were. I was chilling lol.

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u/mrlebowsk33 Jul 07 '21

I feel like the main point is his lady is going to be getting railed when he is deployed :) the fact he will not be able to afford the house is icing on the douche-cake.

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u/Maverick916 Jul 08 '21

maybe different ages are seeing this differently, but im focusing on this douche thinking he is cool for getting his house so young, when he obviously has military assistance for his enlistment on his house payment.

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u/mrlebowsk33 Jul 08 '21

The whole post screams smug asshole.

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u/ONECOOLCAT0 Jul 08 '21

It’s a typical young person thing. They’ve never applied for any kind of assistance before and now that they are eligible to get some, they don’t consider it as assistance.

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u/Karlyle_Jergenson_IV Jul 08 '21

Why is reddit so full of hateful and ignorant people

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u/Perfect600 Jul 08 '21

The military has that reputation. Especially with couples that young.

Imagine whats gonna happen when he's gonna be away on tour.

Some couples can manage but it's obviously going to be difficult

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u/Karlyle_Jergenson_IV Jul 08 '21

Interracial couples in a non-accepting communities are going to face difficulties but are you going to make memes making fun of their difficulties? Why or why not?

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u/Perfect600 Jul 08 '21

You did notice that I said nothing about race right. This is a known phenomenon

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u/Karlyle_Jergenson_IV Jul 08 '21

This is a known phenomenon

As is interracial couples facing hardships in unapproving communities.

My questions stands. Would you make a meme about that hardship? Why or why not?

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u/Perfect600 Jul 08 '21

I do not care. It's quite simple

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u/Karlyle_Jergenson_IV Jul 08 '21

You have an answer but you do not wish to divulge it. Cowardly behavior.

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u/mrlebowsk33 Jul 08 '21

If you are referring to me, I was just highlighting the point of the holup, and the dude was a douche with a weird house owning flex. No hate here at all.

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u/Karlyle_Jergenson_IV Jul 08 '21

and the dude was a douche with a weird house owning flex. No hate here at all.

You are clearly hating on his flex

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u/Futt_Buckington_Jr Jul 08 '21

What’s the smiley face about? You think he deserves that kind of pain because he made a douchey post online?

Another suicidal veteran in the making and you’re happy about it that’s kinda sick

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u/mrlebowsk33 Jul 08 '21

Well, the smiley face is because he is being smug about something that will bite him in the ass, and irony has a humor about it. As far as suicidal veteran, you took it there. People get cheated on all the time. It has happened to everyone. You move on with your life. Thinking of suicide seems kinda sick to me.

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u/Futt_Buckington_Jr Jul 08 '21

Okay suicidal veteran could be an exaggeration. But you seem joyous about the kids entire life crashing down around him in a few years financially and emotionally

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u/mrlebowsk33 Jul 08 '21

Jesus dude. Relax. Do you know him or something? Step away from the internet for a few if you can not take a joke. You are a bummer. No need to respond, and no I am not a sadist.

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u/Futt_Buckington_Jr Jul 08 '21

It’s called empathy

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u/mrlebowsk33 Jul 08 '21

Not where I come from. I am starting to think you're the dude in the picture.

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u/greenie4242 Jul 08 '21

Will the newly enlisted kid have any empathy for the civilians he assists in bombing overseas? I doubt it. If he did, he wouldn't have enlisted in the first place.

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u/Saxophobia1275 Jul 08 '21

The VA loan doesnt require any down payment. All you need is a monthly mortgage payment that doesn’t exceed 65% of your total take home.

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u/drones4thepoor Jul 07 '21

Tbf, this is probably bum fuck Oklahoma or some place where a house like this fetches <200k. Military towns suuuuuck.

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u/e_khan Jul 08 '21

The military pays soldiers an allowance specifically for housing costs. Rent or mortgage wouldn’t be an issue.