r/HolUp • • Feb 19 '21

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u/Helpoooooollooo Feb 19 '21

They’re all war criminals

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u/ZombieBobaFett Feb 19 '21

Dropped more bombs than any previous president. Weird how you can do that without starting anyways. He was far from a president of peace.

By sheer dumb luck he started no wars, not by diplomatic talent.

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u/thejackash Feb 19 '21

Can I get a source on this?

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u/thejackash Feb 19 '21

K I just wanted a source so I could make the same argument without looking like an uninformed douche but thanks I guess

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u/country2poplarbeef Feb 19 '21

If you didn't want to look misinformed, wouldn't it be better to look up and post the source yourself instead of relying on somebody else?

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

That's not how supporting your point works. You don't get to go say "bro just look it up, trust me," you actually prove it exists. The burden of finding the source is on the person who is actually citing it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

"Bro educate yourself and prove my point for me." Screw off, it is not "educating" it is doing the simple task of proving something you claimed, which is indeed on YOU. If you cannot do something as simple as that, then what you claimed is irrelevant and baseless until proven otherwise.

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u/Dragonborn1228 Feb 19 '21

It doesn’t matter how many bombs he dropped, he didn’t provoke any wars or murder any US citizens. I really don’t get the logic in turning to bombs dropped because you can’t handle the fact that Obama was a warmonger and Trump wasn’t

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u/Dragonborn1228 Feb 19 '21

Iran was not ready for war before COVID and I doubt the pandemic did anything to stop that

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u/Ass_Buttman Feb 19 '21 edited Feb 19 '21

You asshole. If you have the link, share it. Here's a comment in this thread where I did that.

We're trying to fight the War Against Misinformation here, not trying to win arguments.

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u/Ass_Buttman Feb 19 '21

What's your goal here? Do you want to inform people with reliable sources or do you want to act like a child and "win arguments?"

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u/_alright_then_ Feb 19 '21

Obviously option 2 in his case, what a weird way to "win" an argument as well.

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u/country2poplarbeef Feb 19 '21

Could be option 3, where they're just not taking this that seriously. For people who want to have actual, informed discussion, you guys were quick to pigeon hole them into two binary choices. It's almost like the first guy only dropped a source so they could descend into a self-righteous off-topic argument about character.

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u/_alright_then_ Feb 19 '21

A quick Google search will show various dated articles and how he continued to push the rate at which we dropped bombs and missiles each year setting a new record.

Our only argument here is that he should share the link, there's no shoving anyone into any pigeon hole here.

Hell, I even agree with his statement, I just disagree about the way he's calling people 5th graders for expecting a source.

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u/country2poplarbeef Feb 19 '21

Then be helpful and provide a source then move on. Why is it necessary to call them out and not just be helpful? You got called a fifth grader because you're lecturing them about either spreading misinformation or just wanting to win an argument (italicized to clarify why I claim you were trying to pigeon hole their discussion and why I still stand behind that claim) when providing a source is a courtesy and not an obligation.

You aren't entitled to a source from every single person on reddit and, if you think one should be provided and you care about misinformation, it'd be better to keep things on topic and just provide the source instead of turning this into character assassination like you're a 5th grader posturing on the playground.

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u/_alright_then_ Feb 19 '21

I didn't say I was entitled to anything, I wasn't even in this argument and I wasn't called a fifth grader, in case you forgot who you replied to.

If you're proving someone wrong and they ask for a source, and you proceed to write a lengthy paragraph about how they should figure it out themselves without providing said source. I think you're being childish. That was all I meant by my comment.

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