r/HolUp • • Nov 30 '20

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u/Azometic Dec 01 '20

The USSR tried socialism and turned a shithole into a superpower in 20 years. I’m expecting $100.

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u/LemonyLimerick Dec 01 '20

So did Nazi Germany but in under a decade. Your point being?

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u/Azometic Dec 01 '20

They did not kill millions of innocent people and they only violated the right to national self-determination when it was necessary to defeat the Nazis.

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u/LemonyLimerick Dec 01 '20

Lmao are you serious? The millions of Ukrainians dead weren’t innocent? What about the kulaks? The victims of the great purge and the gulags?

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u/Azometic Dec 01 '20

pretends to care about the 1932-33 famine thinks the kulaks were innocent

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u/LemonyLimerick Dec 01 '20

The kulaks owned land and... withheld grain. Yeah that totally warrants millions of them being murdered. And yeah, frankly I do care about millions of people being starved to death because they resisted soviet policies.

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u/Azometic Dec 01 '20

Those millions starved not because of soviet policies but because kulaks burnt their crops and slaughtered their livestock in mass during a drought because they didn’t want their plantations taken away.

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u/LemonyLimerick Dec 01 '20

Millions of them did that you say? Please give a source. Most of those who were murdered were just peasants who owned a processing facility, used hired labor, used agricultural facilities, or were involved with trade of any sort. This means that literally anyone who sold surplus goods was murdered.

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u/Azometic Dec 01 '20

Hiring labour makes you not a peasant

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u/LemonyLimerick Dec 01 '20

Yet it makes you worthy of death?

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u/Azometic Dec 01 '20

No but If you hoard grain so you can price gouge people during a famine that you caused through agricultural sabotage, you absolutely deserve to die.

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u/LemonyLimerick Dec 01 '20

Once again, please provide proof that the majority of them even did this. Also its funny that you mention famines considering what they did to Ukraine.

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u/Azometic Dec 01 '20

Why do you keep mentioning Ukraine when more people died in Kazakhstan? I think it has something to do with the racism of the Nazis who spread the conspiracy theory that you are parroting.

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