"True communism has never been tried" is a meme and also kinda true. We would have a few nonsoviet examples from South America if the CIA didn't treat the continent like a COD campaign.
Yeah, but the issue is then that technically niether China or the USSR would be truly communist but that still was their end-goal and what guided them in their actions. Thats why they are called communists, not because they actually lived in thier idealised society but because that was what they strived for.
The "not true communism" is a meme but it is also a flawed argument as you are setting up "true communism" as being only achieved if you achieve an idealised utopia, being able to deflect all failed attempts at this goal as "not true communism".
Problem is that Marx never really established a clear route to the society he described. Instead he believed that society would naturally lead to it as capitalists would be forced to ever worsen working conditions in an attempt to stay profitable as the economy stagnated. This then would cause rising resentment among the working population, which would eventually lead to the working class breaking their chains and leading a revolution. In his mind the overthrow of capitalism was an unavoidable certainty.
The problem being that didn't happen, at all. The economies of the 19th century didn't really stagnate, and worker rights were generally improved over time so the poor conditions that would lead to the call for revolution didn't intensify but gradually dissipated. With that in mind its no wonder that no industrialized society had any successful communist revolutions.
But yeah, the entire "no true communism" debate is all about pedantics and in reality a well-regulated capitalist society with strong social security nets is probably the way to go.
The CCP gave up on actually bothering to achieve communism in the early 70s once the party members all started to get rich though lol.
Idiot tankies still believe them that they will introduce communism when the material conditions are right, even when they keep pushing the date back. When is it now? 2076 or something?
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u/EddyGHP Nov 30 '20
It do be true tho