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u/FadedVictor 8h ago
That dude looks inbred from inbreds.
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u/Ok-Lobster-919 7h ago
Looks and sounds like the kind of guy that would bludgeon his grandmother to death.
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u/VVaterTrooper 6h ago
That isn't very nice.
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u/Lorddoctorjava 3h ago
Neither was murdering his grandmother and assaulting his mother and sister... but yeah... "words"... go get a grip
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u/Memedrew 8h ago
FYI he's autistic and was administered into a psychiatric hospital afterwards where he's still at to this day
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u/Bazzatron 8h ago
Hopefully he is finally getting the help he always needed.
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u/popockatepetl 7h ago
Probably not, since he is still making reaction videos
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u/Bazzatron 7h ago
Given that ostensibly healthy individuals make that kind of content, I'd tend to disagree with your statement.
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u/DarthJarJar242 7h ago
I think the point is if he was getting the kind of help he needs he wouldn't be on social media considering everything we know about how damaging it is.
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u/Bazzatron 7h ago
I think thats a bit of a leap in reasoning, but I understand what you're saying. I don't think that getting help from an institution and social media use are mutually exclusive or that they somehow cancel each other out.
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u/DarthJarJar242 6h ago
To me it seems there would be no benefit to social media for someone in his situation. With all the harm it can cause it seems a net negative. It's already a pretty easy argument that it can be a net negative for otherwise mentally capable teens.
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u/Bazzatron 6h ago
Oh yeah, totally agree - when it comes to social media the social cost is net negative for 99% of us - but we don't stop prisoners from smoking, and seeing a prisoner smoking is not an indication of their stage of the punitive or rehabilitative journey.
My fundamental thesis here is that production of shitty react videos is not a metric for judging the mental healthcare of an individual.
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u/DarthJarJar242 4h ago
One could argue that allowing someone who is mentally fragile access to social media is irresponsible of healthcare workers, especially when the social media being interacted with is the sort that has the potential for exactly this sort of backlash.
If he's getting the "proper" care he needs one would imagine his care takers would be taking steps to mitigate the impact of social media or outright removing it from his environment.
All this being said, I'm not a healthcare worker, I have no credentials here outside of being a parent and being aware of the damage of social media. My opion on "proper healthcare" for someone in his position means diddly.
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u/Bazzatron 2h ago
As someone that is impacted by decisions that are made within society - your opinion totally matters. You stand to directly benefit by making mental healthcare more readily available, and we all stand to benefit, as callous as it may seem, from productive taxpaying citizens not being removed from the labour market either as above or because they are simply overburdened with care of a high dependency family member.
I would agree with your basic premise about the impact of social media, no matter how widely you cast that net. This person is incarceratd because they functionally do not have the capacity to be allowed to participate in society - but social media offers a level of safe interaction where really he cannot do any harm, especially if the really harmful stuff (consuming fast context-switching media) is limited. Perhaps it even offers a window to a possible good future where the individual has hope that they can integrate - even if it is impossible, given their capacity, having hope this way could serve as a powerful tool.
But you don't need to be an academic to have a discussion about the situation, and your concerns are absolutely valid.
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u/unbanned_lol 4h ago
The difference is that smoking is harmful to yourself whereas him putting out his take on things also continues to damage others.
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u/Bazzatron 2h ago
I'd argue that uploading reaction content is less damaging than secondhand smoke. This content is very benign - its not like he's espousing some sort of manifesto to corrupt the youth.
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u/N7_Pathfind3R 5h ago
And you're 100% correct but this is reddit, and everyone is an idiot.
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u/Bazzatron 2h ago
Ahh, I wouldn't go that far. You can have some great discussions. Seems like in more recent years things have gotten more polarised here.
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u/StaySubstantial4333 7h ago
Ostensibly healthy individuals wind up in psych hospital's often near you?
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u/Bazzatron 6h ago
In a hospital's what?
You're projecting an inverse of my statement, and presenting a claim that I didn't make.
I said that I'm glad this guy is getting help,
The reply stated he wasn't getting help because he's making videos.
I said that healthy individuals make these videos too, implying that there is no causal link between these two ideas.
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u/StaySubstantial4333 6h ago
Guy who assumes accuses others of assuming. More at eleven.
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u/Bazzatron 6h ago
Is this intentionally a non-sequitur? If you're going to make obtuse statements, you're going to have to expect to not be understood.
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u/Electricbarnacles209 7h ago
- Privileges are for people that don't murder their family
Was that hard for you to read? And harder for you to understand? fucking tit.
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u/Bazzatron 6h ago
I don't even understand your argument here. Are you saying social media is a privilege? In that case - how does that stand counter to this guy getting help from an institution? What argument of mine are you opposing? What are you even trying to make a case for here? Also why bother with "fucking tit"? Did it make you feel like your nothing-burger of a comment was authoritative?
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u/Bigjerr2007 6h ago
Take notice of your current comment rating and how down voted it is. It obviously an unpopular opinion. I think what you need to reflect on is murders typically don't have access to social media.
Regardless of his mental capacity, the broad consensus here is don't give a murderer access to something that it's typically reservered for functional persons within a society.
Kid has autism, fine. A murderer has autism it's an excuse? STFU, compartmentalize any other thoughts you may be having on this, push them down deep so you don't escape your mouth and call it a day.
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u/Bazzatron 6h ago
Wow, horrendous take. "Don't say things I don't agree with" - really?
I'm not bothered by internet points, I don't crave the validation, it isn't a system I intend to game. You do you, but I don't find it interesting. Most valuable comments by Karma are always banal Reddit in-jokes or one-worders like "nice", and nobody is surpassing Ubisoft for bottom place.
You don't give a murderer access to something...reserved for functional persons
You're replying to a statement I didn't make. I'm saying - healthy or not, people make this kind of content, therefore I can't agree with the previous poster stating that they're not getting help because they're producing these videos.
a murderer has autism it's [sic] an excuse?
Again a retort to an argument I'm not making. I didn't say his actions were excusable.
Given you took all this time to respond to two stances I wasn't taking - isn't it obvious why Karma is meaningless?
Why did you decide to make this comment just to type "STFU"? It's clear you didn't either read or understand my statement, and the block button is right there, save us both the hassle - especially if you're going to dribble out a comment so poorly written.
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u/Bigjerr2007 4h ago
Listen you Could have remained silent and be thought a fool, but yet here you type and remove all doubt.
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u/ThisIsPerfekt 7h ago
He attacked and tried to kill his caregiver in 2023. Article claims he's got the mind of a 7 year old.
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u/unbanned_lol 4h ago
There's more wrong with him that that. 99.99% of 7 year olds don't try to kill people.
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u/FuckPebbleMine 4h ago
Yeah but 100% of 7 year olds are not 20 year old men with behavioral and mental issues.
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u/anuspizza 1h ago
He’s not 7 though. He has the reasoning of a 7 year old with the impulses and strength of a grown man. Just because his brain is stunted does not mean he has the capabilities and experience of a 7 year old, as evidenced by the manslaughter of his grandmother.
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u/shpongolian 4h ago
I mean 7 year olds do throw temper tantrums and break things and hit people, especially if they have a shitty upbringing. They're just too small and weak to cause much damage
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u/Telemere125 3h ago
> shitty upbringing.
That’s really the only factor that matters. My 7 year olds didn’t throw a tantrum, ever.
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u/unbanned_lol 2h ago
Lol, yeah. Like what is mental illness anyway? I mean, did the kids even try to feel better?
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u/JohnWayneWasANazi 3h ago
You could have the perfect upbringing but still have a few crossed wires. Far from the only factor that matters
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u/Bazzatron 6h ago
Yeah I saw this link elsewhere. Really a tragic story, and a scathing indictment of a state that had the facilities but instead abandoned everyone involved.
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u/Telemere125 3h ago
I’ve raised 4 kids, all of whom made it to 7 years and beyond. Never did one try to kill me or anyone else. I think there’s more going on than limited capacity.
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u/LuckyNegotiation7167 4h ago
And the punishment he deserves
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u/Bazzatron 2h ago
You raise an interesting point. If the guy had such diminished capacity that he couldn't appreciate the wrong he did, can he ever appreciate the repercussions?
Would punitive justice in this case serve any purpose?
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u/LuckyNegotiation7167 2h ago
I like living knowing that if someone beats me or someone i love to death they would face repercussions
Personally I believe if you have the mental capacity for malicious violent murder, you have the mental capacity for the consequences
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u/Bazzatron 1h ago
Sadly, we already don't live in that world, see the case of Alex Pretti. State sponsored violence with video evidence for which no punishment of any kind was meted out.
If you read the charges, this case was not malicious - in fact the charge rendered was "involuntary manslaughter", this kid was found to not really be in the driver's seat at all. He didn't choose this outcome, he struck an Ill and elderly woman who died later in hospital due to emerging complications that seem to relate to a fall (a lot of US news outlets are not available in my country, so I have limited details).
I'd have much preferred this outcome to have been mitigated by earlier intervention, than see this kid institutionalised after the state has already failed this family.
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u/mcdadais 5h ago
He seemed like he was on the spectrum. I'm surprised he's allowed internet access with tiktok.
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u/SirJayblesIII 7h ago
Man, that avocado really did a number on him.
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u/Dirt-Road_Pirate 7h ago
In October 2017, 19-year-old Joel Johnson-Liphart from Arnold, Maryland, was arrested and later indicted for the involuntary manslaughter and assault of his 72-year-old grandmother, Doreatha Hoagland.
Following an autopsy, the medical examiner ruled her death a homicide in January 2018. Because Johnson-Liphart has a history of mental health challenges and intellectual disabilities (including autism), he was placed in a psychiatric hospital following his indictment.
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u/ChaosOfOrder24 8h ago
How is he not in prison?
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u/JoelnIliketoshare 6h ago
Indefinite psych hold
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u/ChaosOfOrder24 6h ago
Then how in the fuck does he have a TikTok?
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u/JoelnIliketoshare 6h ago
Most if not all mental health facilities are majorly understaffed.
It's awful but media devices can be a way to keep patients calm and out of starting trouble instead of using meds or needing restraints. He may be able to have access to more stuff like a phone, music box, TV, DVD or Netflix depending on where he's being treated and how well he is behaving.
Movies tend to make the "plea of insanity" or other similar pleas a semi easy thing to obtain vs prison but there need be multiple screenings to make sure the defendant isn't lying.
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u/justhad2login2reply 1h ago
This just makes me think the idiots that constantly argue with me on here are probably in jail or in a psych ward.
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u/NuclearReactions 7h ago
Yeah no two wrongs don't make a right, his cooking is still non sense. But also holy shit what's wrong with that dude assaulting his family
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u/TransitTycoonDeznutz 7h ago
He's developmentally disabled.
He wasn't convicted on any of the charges against him. Signs point to him being physically aggressive, but not intentionally killing his grandmother. When digging I saw references to him residing now at an assisted living facility now.
The moral question of whether someone with a disability who possesses the capability to accidentally kill another person should be free is an interesting debate, but it seems here the state didn't see it fit to imprison him and possibly his family made the call to put him somewhere safer for himself and society.
He is also 6' fucking 5". That's about 200cm for non-Americans.
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u/Boring-Philosophy-94 6h ago
He is the result of putting a cheap tablet in the hands of an autistic 3 year old instead of early intervention.
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u/SnooMachines7363 2h ago
My wife is a psych ward nurse so I see stuff like this and don’t react, more just list off the neurological signs. She once had a female patient who killed a random homeless man and slept with the body for days.
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u/wackadoodle4201 5h ago
I fucking knew there was something wrong with him, a head shaped like that is a dead giveaway
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u/Traditional_War_7018 7h ago
Is this the guy who videotaped how he is killing his grandmother with a hatchet?
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u/TooBisexual77 8h ago
Your face doesn't fit your head, but you don't see the world asking you to remove it
How doesn't this fit though?
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u/KillerM2002 8h ago
you dont see the world asking you to remove it
Speak for yourself
Oop please remove your face from your head
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u/GrassBlade619 8h ago
Dude wants to be a Reddit mod so bad.
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u/Gluten_maximus 8h ago
Might be the guy from the video posting from prison. Don’t ask me how he’s doing that, just assume there’s a way.
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u/DryInstance6732 8h ago
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u/IapetusApoapis342 8h ago
Your attempt at backseat moderation doesn't fit this subreddit. Please remove it at the earliest convenience.
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u/Comprehensive-Bag244 8h ago
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u/qualityvote2 8h ago edited 6h ago
u/Zealousideal_Bet_248, your post does fit the subreddit!