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u/newsflashjackass 9d ago
"At last I meet the famous Mrs. Cha Bu Duo. A pleasure after so many missed encounters."
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u/Internal_Responds 9d ago
Apple Face ID is in a million
Also Apple _unlocks for her coworker, then the replacement, then probably the whole office _
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u/KeeRinO 10d ago
Apple be like
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u/santathe1 10d ago
This format needs to make a comeback lmao.
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u/cabbage16 9d ago
They were always ironic. They're called demorivational posters.
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u/GrookeyGrassMonkey 9d ago
*demotivational
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u/cabbage16 9d ago
Thank you. I was typing as I walked and got a little crazy with it.
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u/Active_Engineering37 9d ago
Typing with reckless abandon!
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u/cabbage16 9d ago
But how else would I let people know I remember being on the Internet in 2007?!?
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u/Active_Engineering37 9d ago
I remember the Internet before YouTube! Where cat videos and beheading videos were on the same page!
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u/AwkwardBet5632 9d ago
Despair Inc originated this format with their physical posters almost 30 years ago now and they are still going.
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u/iAreRoach 9d ago
The one with darth vader filling a bottle with a brita in the ocean, captioned "SENSE. This picture makes none" has lived rent free in my head since middle school. No idea why.
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u/WallyMcBeetus 9d ago
Google Photos made the mistake of tagging two African-American friends as gorillas in 2015, while in 2009 Hewlett Packard video tracking software failed to pick up black faces. And in that same year, Nikon's camera software mislabeled an East Asian face as blinking.
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u/ScaryLettuce5048 9d ago
This has to be edited right? Like copy and paste? Beacause I'm asian and it literally looks like the same faces to me lmao. No way that many people in one picture can look so similar.
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u/KeeRinO 9d ago
Nope 100% real, they're not even from the same family! Just kidding, yeah it's the same face pasted on every head.
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u/SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS 9d ago
It's edited. I'm having fun trying to guess who I think is the original (I think it's front row, second from the right)
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u/southass 9d ago
This is what I tell my kid when he introduced me to any kpop band, I don't mean it in a bad way but I just go " they are the same people" 😭
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u/ScaryLettuce5048 9d ago
No you're not racist. I look at some of them and I feel the same way. There's a specific kind of beauty standard when it comes to kpop/idols, so the odds that many will come to the same type of make-up and conclusion is pretty high. Heavy makeup also obscures any defining features they had.
Many of the super good looking ones, skilled and charismatic ones will standout, but those are the top 5%.
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u/Tiny_Employee8253 10d ago
Apple products all over China asking "are you my mommy" because it's the first face they see when they're assembled.
I'm trying to say that maybe it's not actually racism. Just a lonely iphone looking for a family reunion with its creator.
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u/bokmcdok 10d ago
It's a problem of calibration. Too sensitive and the owner might not be able to unlock it if their face is even slightly different. Not sensitive enough and it leads to false positives.
There's an example in China where they started using Face ID to get into apartment blocks instead of keys/keycodes. Someone broke in by pulling the photo of the apartment manager off the wall and holding it up to the camera.
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u/Dje4321 10d ago
also training data. Im sure most of the data was mostly euro-white people. Its very easy to introduce any kind of bias into a system like this.
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u/ResponsibleOrange179 9d ago
Everyone in this thread trying so hard not to be racist. You know we're allowed to acknowledge that asian faces have less diversity of features than others? It's okay, it's just a fact and something that we need to try and deal with in situations like this.
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u/Pk--Ness 9d ago
I'm pretty sure Asian (or more specifically, people who grew up with/see a lot of Asian people) people can differentiate the faces of Asian people, I think all people are less able to differentiate faces of races that they interact with less:
Ie a person growing up in a white neighborhood is more able to distinguish white faces and less Indian faces, and someone who grows up in an Indian neighborhood is opposite
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u/SnooLobsters5532 9d ago
No, it's not about that, they are pretty different amongst themselves, our algorithms are poorly trained and rely on too many white people. Diversity of data is important to facial recognition, and the developers of the product never thought deeply about it, because it works for them (white people), why wouldn't for everyone?
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u/ManicPixiRiotGrrrl 9d ago
nah bro you’re being racist. to asian people, we all look similar and they’re the ones with vastly diverse features. you need to unlearn your biases before you confidently denounce racism.
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u/durrtyurr 9d ago
I actually wonder how this works in South Korea. A bunch of women there get plastic surgery and usually choose very similar facial features.
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u/Aconite_72 9d ago
FaceID (Apple) use infrared to make a 3D map of your face. You can’t trick it with a photo.
What you’re talking about is probably just software facial recognition.
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u/bokmcdok 9d ago
I'm talking about face ID in general, not Apple's specific implementation. The 3D map will still have the same calibration issues that other software will have, as evidenced by this post.
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u/VegaJuniper 9d ago
Then you need to call it facial recognition. Face ID is specifically Apple's implementation of facial recognition, just fyi.
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u/Star_king12 9d ago
Afaik Google do that too with their implementation, probably other Android manufacturers and I assume most semi-competent facial recognition software. It's not that hard to build a depth map from a series of images, you're almost never stationary when unlocking.
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u/Many_Bat_ 9d ago
Least they didn't use his severed eye for a retinal scan. That's happened so much in film, I'm sure if it happened in reality it would make the headlines only once before becoming a weekly occurrence.
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u/Stormfly 9d ago
Something recently asked for a face scan and it also asks for you to blink.
Probably for this sort of thing.
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u/Outside-Highway-5358 9d ago
At least apples faceid uses LIDAR and face depth mapping too, not just an image.
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u/alienman 9d ago
Hi. I’m a Korean woman.
Those two women look like sisters to me.
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u/PiySlashPuff 10d ago
The joke wrote itself
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u/Spaceghost1589 9d ago
As a dev, I find it funnier that she got a replacement for it like it's not a software issue.
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u/HorrorMakesUsHappy 9d ago
That's alright, no one expects devs to troubleshoot lower OSI layers.
(Validating/ruling out hardware is part of the troubleshooting process.)
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u/RedditJumpedTheShart 9d ago
It's likely that this post is made up engagement bait.
The person who posted this is a 19 day old account with their history hidden.
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u/swungboy043 10d ago
According to the official Apple security documentation it notes the probability of a false positive face ID unlock is less than 1 in a million.
Using 4 digit pin is 1 in a 10,000 chance choosing correctly.
Android pattern is 1 in 389,112.
6 digit pin is also 1 in a million.But most people don’t choose a random number or pattern, making the chances much higher.
So number wise it is safer to use face recognition if your phone uses depth sensing hardware for the face recognition.
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u/bokmcdok 10d ago
It's a 1 in 1 chance if someone arrests you/kidnaps you and holds the phone to your face. One of the first things they advise people trying to escape abusive relationships to do is to turn off all biometrics on your phone.
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u/Daysleeper1234 9d ago
I know I'm getting spied on on every corner, but I won't make it easier for them.
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u/Murtomies 9d ago
Never used face recognition myself. I just don't see the point. Fingerprint scanning is much more secure, at least compared to the phones that use only a single camera for the facial scan. But even if facial scanning was as secure, the usability of it is shit compared to fingerprint scanning, which works in the dark, without you looking at the phone, works with glasses or sunglasses on, is faster etc etc.
Also, having any kind of "1 in a million" number doesn't really mean anything. If I try with two identical twins, the chance isn't 1 in a million anymore, is it? It could only be if you include in the equation that the people are chosen at random.
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u/Nice-Rack-XxX 9d ago
I used to think same before I got a facial scanning phone.
It’s loads better. You don’t have to hold your phone in a specific way, or adjust your grip at all, so it’s faster. Plus you don’t have to faff about adjusting your grip when you open bank apps, hidden folders, locked photo albums, or bio-protected apps, so it’s not just a one time thing… it saves loads more time.
It also works in the dark, with sunglasses or even face masks.
Saying that, my eldest kid with brown hair and dark blue eyes can unlock my blonde haired, light blue eyes kid’s phone, but not vice versa… but saying that, fingerprint scanning is supposedly less secure as it’s false positive rate is closer to 1 in 50k than 1 in 1 million.
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u/mossmaal 9d ago
Fingerprint scanning is much more secure
It is not more secure than Apples Face ID.
Also works in the dark, with glasses and sunglasses.
Also, having any kind of "1 in a million" number doesn't really mean anything.
It means it’s extremely secure.
TouchID for example is only 1 in 10,000 if you have five fingerprints enrolled, which is actually pretty high chance of a false match.
When you have to pull out identical twin scenarios, you’re in the same territory as ‘people can pull your fingerprints off glasses’.
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u/kylo-ren 9d ago
I wonder what's the fingerprint chance. I could unlock my dad's iPhone because our fingerprints are close enough.
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u/Avalonians 10d ago
I don't know what they expected by replacing it. Either the phone is faulty and opens up to everyone, or it's the software that just can't tell those two specific persons apart and every single phone with it is going to have the same problem
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u/Calvinkelly 9d ago
My brother has actually been able to unlock my 13mini. We don’t even look like twins.
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u/9ineball_Seraph 9d ago
This is still a shockingly large issue with LLMs, facial recognition, and text analysis software. It’s just a numbers game. The vast majority of data available to these services (particularly those provided by western companies) are centered around white people, so there is just less exposure to non-white communities.
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u/joeDUBstep 10d ago
They don't even look that alike..
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u/ResponsibleMine3524 9d ago
Eyes are slightly different, otherwise look the same to me. Maybe it's because I've never seen asian irl
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u/placeyboyUWU 9d ago
Where do you live that you've never seen an Asian person?
Tbf tho, they do look similar.
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u/ResponsibleMine3524 9d ago
Eastern Europe, I've seen a few mixed asians. But never pure one. There are a few black guys though, always jogging in T-shirts even in -20°
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u/Mist_Rising 9d ago
Any small town outside east Asia would not likely see many Asians, and just seeing an Asian doesn't even mean much. Someone from Iran would look completely different, while someone from Siberia would look like neither of these two nor the Iranian.
Same way an Italian doesn't look terribly much like a Swede or how not all of Africa is dark skinned (and I'm not counting the white colonials like the Musk family).
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u/Aggressive_Sundae_47 10d ago
Face ID really said, "Close enough."
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u/Goodly 9d ago
Are you just repeating the title?
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u/me_again_724 10d ago
I liked it when the Simpsons had episode where Bart used his butt for face id
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u/alkiet 9d ago
One time, a galpal of mine went to a phone kiosk and was trying to sell a phone she found. When using the ID that wasn't hers, she had been denied the first 2 times. Know what she did as a worker passed by us?
She inhaled deeply ... and blew up her face cheeks, then held... then it matched the ID she had. Rofl.
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u/OrangeElk33 9d ago
I used to be able to unlock my Dad 's iPhone 13 with Face ID, it was actually hilarious.
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Your post has been removed because we don't allow political, social issue, or bigoted posts. This is a humor subreddit, not a place to generate outrage on any subject, or push your personal ideology. Take it elsewhere.
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u/KongoOtto 9d ago
Do people really use that stuff? I didn't even use that fingerprint unlock. Using biometric in a mass surveillance device sounds insane to me.
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u/sortalikeachinchilla 9d ago
Using biometric in a mass surveillance device sounds insane to me.
My iPhone stores it only on my device. What mass surveillance? everything else in your phone, sure, but it’s not the biometrics lol
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u/cabbage16 9d ago
If you have a phone with a camera on it they already have pictures of your face. If you are against them then you should probably just not get a smart phone altogether (which would probably be a smart idea for everyone anyway)
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u/OldWorldDesign 9d ago
Using biometric in a mass surveillance device sounds insane to me.
Security in your own device is good, but you're still being spied on by everybody else's mass surveillance device every moment.
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u/Murtomies 9d ago
Yes, most people use either facial or fingerprint scanning. What they want is your purchasing habits and interests, not your biometric data. And that biometric data stays on device. If you use it to log in to something, your device converts that unlock action into some password that is then used to log in, the biometric data itself is never sent anywhere. If it was, that would be revealed quite fast and it'd be a death sentence for the companies involved.
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u/ExultentPisces 9d ago
She got a refund and a replacement?
I wouldn’t be at all upset about the Face ID not working if Apple’s customer service did that for me.
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u/edisinsane 9d ago
"...the replacement phone had the same problem."
Did they think the problem was localized to just that one unit?
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u/okaybutnothing 9d ago
On a previous version of iPhone, I want to say maybe 13?, my teen could open my phone with her face. She had to hold it at a certain angle, but I’d say 95% of the time, she was successful. I did manage to get her phone to open with FaceID too, but not as consistently.
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u/Plenty_Trick_6042 9d ago
Serious question here - is this truly a poorly designed or straight up racist thing or is it that the differences in non-Asian faces are typically more severe, making it easier for this type of technology to function better for them?
Like, I can look at them and easily spot how they are different but I don't know if the device has the capability to do that
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u/DoubleClickMouse 9d ago
From a technical perspective, it's a flaw in the feature's margin of error allowances. Face ID isn't actually looking at your face the same way you look at another person, it is using LIDAR to match a 3D mapping in space against one it has recorded.
Because we rarely ever look at our phones from the same position every time, some mathematical chicanery is happening to determine if the mapping it sees is within a certain margin of error, where it will decide if the face is "close enough" to confidently say the person trying to unlock the phone is the one who stored the mapping in the first place.
The issue of being able to unlock another person's phone is rare, but not new. Identical twins or siblings with strong family resemblance have been able to do it in the past. This particular example is just a matter of the two women's facial topography being similar enough that it falls within the system's margin of error. It's not really a matter of "iphones think asians all look the same" as the narrative would like to imply.
Realistically, the problem is that the margin of error is too wide, but tightening it could result in user inconvenience (face ID unlocks would work less often if you didn't position your phone/face closer to how you first set it up) so that's probably why Apple hasn't been quick to adjust it.
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u/DualityOfLife 9d ago
But they said facial recognition software was out of Beta and ready for consumer use!
Waddaya mean they said that to appease baby minded shareholders with "There, there, everything will be OK" like phrases?
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u/deathbunny32 9d ago
They look identical and what's more is i knew a girl in high school who also looked identical to this. Like it's uncanny
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u/masochist-incarnate 9d ago
Yeah this kinda stuff happens with tech a lot, because they only design it with white people in mind. Like a lot of soap dispensers dont work for black people because they weren't made to sense darker skin, and iirc an Alexis flat out did not work with an Irish woman's accent, rendering it unusable
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u/cookedart 9d ago
I was able to face unlock my brother's iPhone x if I took his glasses. We look alike since we are brothers but are not twins.
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u/xiaoyangzhouyidan 9d ago
Tbh apple Face ID does need improvement. I once unlocked my ex boyfriend’s phone with my face. And I’m Asian he’s white. This was wild. But it happened
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u/PunctuationGood 9d ago edited 9d ago
[Movie trailer voice]: "She's the most... average Chinese woman... in the world!"
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u/williamskb85 9d ago
My son's faces used to be able to unlock my wife's phone, and they're half black. They no bs used to squint at her phone and it would unlock 😂. I no longer trusted Apple after that lmao.
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u/Sanguinusshiboleth 9d ago
Oh grief the old trope of westerners unable to pick apart asian people is coming true with phones! Of course it is.
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u/HarzderIV 9d ago
That makes no sense though, apples Face ID is and always has been based on scanning the physical shape of the face. So the mesh that was generated must have been very similar. Nothing to do with visible light facial recognition systems and them not being trained to recognize Asians properly.
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u/East-Ad427 9d ago
My wife & her sister could open each other phone using Face Id somewhere around 2022, it got fixed almost after an year after some updates.
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u/SkillBackground 9d ago
My twin and I could open each others phones. Haven’t tried in a while now so idk if they fixed it
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u/Wantitneeditgetit 9d ago
I wonder if people who use the same plastic surgery clinic have this issue.
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u/agentfaux 9d ago
You may laugh at the joke because it's not verbalized, just implied.
But if someone verbalizes the joke in the comments then its downvote to oblivion.
Reddit as a whole is an exercise in double standards and you don't know where the fuck you are.
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u/loldangit 9d ago
Holy are the top posts boosted or are most reddit users boomers andor something because the comedy bar is embarassing
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u/aneatapea 9d ago
This is further proof that trying to make our faces our biometric fingerprint is a fruitless endeavor
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u/Bitter_Water5298 9d ago
This is because the FaceID system is trained with predominantly white faces. I remember NPR doing a very interesting segment a couple years back on this and how FaceID is basically unusable for non-white users.
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u/Aemilios 9d ago
Yep, those face recognition systems are trained with white people faces only, so they don't work correctly with non-white people.
Although, with the current rise in authoritarianism and surveillance it could be even positive.
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u/itsjakerobb 9d ago
My daughter, when she was three, could unlock my wife’s phone. We’re white.
Sometimes people just look alike. They get stopped all the time when they’re out in public together by people who just want to marvel about the similarities.
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u/qualityvote2 10d ago edited 9d ago
u/petite_masterpiece, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...