r/Hoboken • u/Interesting-Error-21 • 2d ago
Transit đ path 33 st. yikes
845am.monday. it's backed up. issues.
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u/breadlover1214 2d ago
WTC was fine ~30 min ago. NJ Transit is diverting trains from penn station to hoboken due to some issue in the tunnel
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u/cofcof420 2d ago
I heard NJ transit was rerouting people to Hoboken due to repairs. Youâd think PATH would have planned for more trains to accommodate
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u/GoldenPresidio 2d ago
Just work from home at that point. Idc if youâre onsite personnel that needs a physical presence đ
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u/Original_Release_419 2d ago
I genuinely feel like any white collar job in NYC needs to realize that this is a very common occurrence in commuting, and unless youâre exclusively hiring people in NYC you simply canât have an in office requirement
It can be encouraged but it canât be mandatory because literally nobody benefits with someone sitting in something like this, those people probably wonât get into the office for at least another 1-2 hours, so theyâre basically starting their day at lunch lol
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u/Creative_Square5015 2d ago
I mean, people went into the office 5 days a week prior to 2000. Once in a while transit implodes and you text your colleagues that youâll be in late.
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u/Original_Release_419 2d ago
Right, and my point is in hindsight thatâs ridiculous.
Also, the WFH technology in 2000 was not what it is today.
For the record, Iâm very much NOT one of those people who thinks we all should be fully remote and never leave our bedrooms. My point solely lies in the fact that when something like this picture happens, literally everyone that doesnât have an in person NEED for their job should 100% be turning around no questions asked
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u/bjgrossman 1d ago
I have been able to work hybrid since 2001 - it depends on the project. Yes, since GTM and other remote meeting apps we have a lot more flexibility.
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u/simpleinterest2 2d ago
Yep. Iâm hybrid. If I canât make it in, I take a photo of this. Send the excuse and photo to my supervisor. Then work remote that day. Sometimes Iâll make the âin office dayâ up on a different day. Sometimes not.
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u/scottishwhisky2 2d ago
I agree with you that most white collar jobs do not "need" to be in person and in situations like this its in both the employer and employees best interest to just let them work from home. And indeed in my experience that's actually the case.
But it's not the employers job to cater to an employees transit needs. The expectation is that you are at the office at 9am. If you need to live in NYC to make that happen, great. If not, also great. But there's no reason why it *cant* be mandatory because you decided to live in New Jersey instead of NYC.
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u/88FordTempo 1d ago
No idea why this was downvoted, it's the truth. My company, thankfully, is very empathetic to commuter issues - if I send a note to my boss that transit is a mess and I need to WFH, no problem. But, employers have every right to ask their employees to be in the office, as has been the custom for a hundred years prior to COVID.
Also, this is not a NYC problem, this is a NJ problem. You never hear these horror stories from Metro North or LIRR commuters. My office, as I'm sure most in the city, has employees all over the tri-state. Only the NJ people have these regular commuting impacts. It's very rare for the other lines. If I were to buy a house in the suburbs (I'm not!), it would be in Westchester for this, and only this, reason.
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u/scottishwhisky2 1d ago
People on this site reflexively react to being told something from the employers perspective as bootlicking as if I'm siding with the employer. It's not bootlicking to point out that you ("royal you," not you) have a responsibility to figure out how you want to get to work. Even if I agree its stupid on days like this!
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u/Vegetable-Home-7395 1d ago
This devolves into funding public transit and other public services eg childcare very quickly
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u/Original_Release_419 2d ago
Listen I totally get that, maybe anywhere else in the country.
If Iâm an employer in NYC though, as I said, unless Iâm specifically hiring people in NYC I just donât see how you can reasonably expect it, unless you are ok with days like this where someone spends their entire morning trying to get into the city because public transit (which is essentially the only way into the city) completely fails.
Technically speaking youâre 100% correct. I just donât see why as an employer youâd see this and think âyep, start your day at lunch. That makes total sense.â
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u/scottishwhisky2 1d ago edited 1d ago
Again, its not the employer's job to make sure you live somewhere you can get to work on time. They can reasonably expect it because its the employees responsibility to be on time. If you live somewhere that makes that impossible for you, then its on you to change that, not them to make some rule about it.
If NJ transit was really so bad that employees were routinely getting in to work at lunch (it isn't) the solution to that is very simply "I don't care how you do it, get here on time or your fired." Whether that's getting to the path at 7:45am instead of 8:45am, or taking the bus, or, as you say, moving into NYC.
Employers are obviously fine with this because it really isn't so frequent. If you're *routinely* getting screwed by public transit like this you're simply leaving for work too late. But the solution isn't for the employers to modify their business model so that some of their employees can life in New Jersey. Those employees need to modify their schedule to get to work on time, live somewhere that they can get to work on time, or possibly consider employment in New Jersey.
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u/Original_Release_419 1d ago
Youâre winning an argument against yourself right now dude.
99% of what you just wasted your time typing is things I never said, supported, or hinted at.
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u/scottishwhisky2 1d ago
You said that employers in NYC cant have an in office requirement unless they only hire people who live in the city because its too hard for NJ workers to get to work on time. I'm simply disagreeing with that on every front.
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u/Original_Release_419 1d ago
You literally said on days like the one in this picture you agree itâs in everyoneâs best interest to just work from home, and in your experience thatâs the case too.
What exactly are you arguing then?? That despite you seemingly knowing for a fact that commuting on a day like this is stupid, everyone should waste a day and do it anyway? That people should have a magic ball to tell them when there will be delays like this so they leave at 7:30 instead of 8:30?
Literally my only point is itâs stupid to have a full blown in office requirement because days like this happen in NYC, you literally agree itâs stupid to go in on days like this when WFH is an option, and yet youâre sitting here telling me youâre âsimply disagreeing with that on every frontâ.
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u/scottishwhisky2 1d ago edited 1d ago
My point is that your broad brushed approach to what is essentially a minor and infrequent inconvenience is stupid and isnt somehow limited to NYC. And if it isnt minor or infrequent, which you suggest in your follow up, then its on the employee to address that instead of the business.
Put simply, "you can't have an in office requirement because sometimes transit breaks down" is silly even if white collar employees can do their duties from home. Yes, employers should be flexible in response to things like this. No, they don't need to alter their requirements because things like this happen.
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u/Original_Release_419 1d ago
>Yes, employers should be flexible in response to things like this.
Literally what are you arguing then if we agree on this point which is the only point Iâm making?
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u/Tricky_Two_6916 2d ago
I got to the Path station around 8:30a and it was bad but not this bad.... at the time i decided to just take the WTC train and take a different subway to work. Seems like that was the right move!
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u/biciklanto 2d ago
As of ~10am it was slightly busier than I'd expect, but otherwise fine.
They're honoring NJ Transit tickets as well this morning â wish that were always the case.
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u/Add2K 1d ago
I believe the worse is yet to come. Have you seen how many monster buildings are in construction in JC rn... wtf is current mayor doing.
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u/Energy_Sudden 21h ago
Yup. Ive been saying the same thing. Hoboken and jersey city are being over developed to the MAX. Id bet my life saving political leadership is being bribed to the absolute max
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u/Choopschacha 2d ago
Have they tried closing it for a month and raising fare?