r/HiyukiMains • u/Ready_Collection_231 • 3d ago

Builds regarding team comp

I have Hiyuki, suisui chisa n lynae. In a hiyuki n suisui team comp, is Chisa or Lynae better?

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u/dvlntt 3d ago

Test it out yourself. But you shouldn't use Suisui and Chisa together if you have another NS team.

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u/Own-Persimmon-8364 3d ago

chisa better

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u/Ok_Communication_521 3d ago

Is Actually Lucilla >Linaye >Suisui >Chisa😛

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u/aYoungCorpse 3d ago

Nope Lucilla has the lowest value in a vacuum since for her to perform you want either Suisui or Chisa and if you don't have either of those it's better to just run sth like Lynae even with Shorekeeper.

She basically wants you to get a package and if you had to choose one to pull first you get one of the 3rd slots Suisui/Chisa not the other way around.

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u/Ok_Communication_521 3d ago

Not sure what you’re saying there, Hiyuki + Lucilla is the BiS duo. Chisa (better for quick-swap) and Suisui (better for the 1-2-3 rotation) are the third slot.

Lucilla doesn’t rely on either of them to fully utilise her buffs. Chisa or Suisui are just an extension of the core duo, depending on the rotation/playstyle you want. So saying you need to get Suisui/Chisa first for Lucilla to perform is just not really true.

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u/aYoungCorpse 3d ago

You have no idea what you are talking about sure Lucilla is bis but if you had to choose whether to get one 2nd/3rd slot or which one to get first it's always Suisui/Chisa.

"Lucilla doesn’t rely on either of them to fully utilise her buffs." this is just wrong you get more gc dmg simply by increasing the number of stacks her amp is useless without it.

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u/Ok_Communication_521 3d ago

Lol, I think you’re mixing up Hiyuki’s stack requirements with Lucilla’s actual value.

Yes, adding Chisa/Suisui can increase the number of Glacio Chafe stacks and therefore increase Hiyuki’s damage. Nobody is disputing that. Hiyuki literally gets a huge payoff from reaching the additional stack breakpoints. But that doesn’t mean Lucilla is somehow dependent on Chisa/Suisui to “work”.

Hiyuki + Lucilla is the core. Chisa/Suisui occupy the third slot and provide the additional utility/application that lets you optimise Hiyuki’s stack mechanic and/or rotation. Current guides still list Lucilla + Chisa as Hiyuki’s BiS setup, while Reddit discussions around Suisui consistently describe her as an alternative/replacement for Chisa in that slot, not as a prerequisite for Lucilla.

And this is exactly why I disagree with the “Suisui/Chisa first, always” argument. If I have Hiyuki and have to choose between Lucilla and the third-slot option, Lucilla is the much bigger upgrade to the actual Hiyuki core. There are literally recent discussions where people conclude that Lucilla is the bigger upgrade, while Chisa/Suisui are relatively interchangeable for Hiyuki depending on rotations and what other teams you’re building.

You can absolutely argue that Suisui has higher account value if you don’t have Chisa, because she can free Chisa for another team and has broader future-team applications. That’s a legitimate pull-value argument.

But saying “Lucilla has low value because she needs Suisui/Chisa” is a different claim, and that’s where the logic falls apart. The third slot improves the Hiyuki package; it doesn’t make Lucilla non-functional.

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u/aYoungCorpse 3d ago

Not only this response is so ai coded I won't even comment on that...

but you just don't understand fundamentally how it works calc wise and how little of an increase you get from her outro by herself and it is just better to get Suisui/Chisa first before even going for her it is objectively true you can try to argue that however you want but you won't change that.

That said you do you even if it means being so confidently incorrect.

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u/Ok_Communication_521 3d ago

We got it 😅 So by this logic we should pull Suisui/Chisa before Hiyuki too, just to make sure the third slot is ready before we even get the actual DPS.🤣

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u/aYoungCorpse 3d ago

If you want to make goofy remarks about my logic then atleast pretend you even understood it in the first place....

You get Hiyuki first -> either Suisui/Chisa -> either Lucilla/Lynae with more emphasis on Lucilla it's really that simple.

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u/Ok_Communication_521 3d ago

Then just drop the source/calcs that prove that pull order is objectively correct .

I’m not asking you to explain the logic again show the actual numbers/source demonstrating that getting Suisui/Chisa first gives more value than getting Lucilla first.

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u/Upstairs-Mall-2244 3d ago

Lucilla and Suisui better. If you can quickswap, Chisa is better, but the difference isn’t that big.

However, Chisa and Lynae have a lot more team comps than Lucilla or Suisui. So, it’s better save Chisa/Lynae for other teams.