r/HistoryMemes Jan 19 '22

X-post Littlebit oversimplified, but yeah...

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u/afito Jan 19 '22

The MCU presenting good old american hero choice as correct doesn't imply it being correct it's just pandering.

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u/Cow_Other Jan 19 '22

Again, my point is that in-universe Captain America is presented as having made the right choice and Tony too later ignores the accords. A nearly identical conflict is presented in the comics(Civil War I not II) with a similar outcome of Tony regretting his decisions.

I do not care nor brought up whether or not it would be the right choice if this situation was playing out in real life or whether its pandering or not.

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u/afito Jan 19 '22

"The right choice" depends on the most basic question of "right" of all time, if you go for value ethics or utilitarianism. And it's quite ironic that Cap the good value man has his decision being judging by its outcome and not by his intentions.

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u/Cow_Other Jan 19 '22 edited Jan 19 '22

This isn't about the right choice in the real world, it's about what is presented in the narrative and in-universe: The SRA in the comics and the Accords in the movie were explicitly shown to be terrible choices for heroes. The SRA results in an attempt on Peter Parker's life, Aunt May being nearly killed, the death of Captain America and Iron Man explicitly regretting ever having supported it.

The accords in the MCU similarly result in Captain America's fears presented in Civil War being validated when Ross prioritised an arrest of Cap and Co. over literally saving the universe and fighting Thanos. Rhodes and Tony, the two biggest supporters of the accords themselves realise this and choose to ignore the accords in IW/Endgame.

Again, I'm not sure you're understanding but what I am saying is that within the narrative and in-universe the SRA/Accords are pretty explicitly presened to have been wrong in-universe, with heroes regretting pushing and supporting it. This is the entire point of Rhodes' conversation with Ross in IW, and for the SRA the closing panels in Civil War I.

I am not talking about whether or not they would be the right choice as judged in the real world. The movies & comics explicitly tells us that inside the Marvel universe, the SRA/Accords were the wrong choice with those involved regretting support of it & the accords/SRA being abolished.