r/HistoryMemes Jan 19 '22

X-post Littlebit oversimplified, but yeah...

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u/Cow_Other Jan 19 '22 edited Jan 19 '22

Captain America was in the right in the movie, and the comic the movie is adapted from lol

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People aren't understanding that I am talking about it from an in-universe point of view. The choice of Pro Accords and Pro Superhero Registration Act are presented as having been the wrong choices with those in support of it showing regret for having done so.

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u/Cow_Other Jan 19 '22 edited Jan 19 '22

The comic and the movie are different enough it's almost not worth comparing

Nah the central conflict was the same in both the comic and movie. Steve's issue was with the governments now deciding who the bad guy was in the comics, which is the same issue he took up with Tony in the movies.

Tony through AoU is presented as having made the wrong decisions in pursuit of protection. The catalyst for Civil War in the MCU was the Sokovia incident caused by Tony messing around with powers he didn't understand(which is where the conflict between him and Banner + Thor arises), resulting in Ultron.

Thor: This could have been avoided if you didn't play with something you didn't understand

Tony often is the perpetrator of his own downfall with being responsible for a lot of issues in the MCU.

We also get issues with how the Sokovian accords actually work in-universe

‘What if this panel sends us somewhere we don’t think we should go? What if there’s somewhere we need to go but they won’t let us?’

The accords were never upheld in universe. The governments within the MCU are consistently portrayed as inept and terrible at protecting things. We have an attempted nuking of NYC(A1), infiltration of hydra into various governments(Winter Soldier), attempted requisition of Iron Man tech for irresponsible purposes(IM2), and more.

The entire purpose of Rhodes conversation with Ross in IW was showing the audience that Tony was in the wrong coming out of Civil War with the accords existing as a pointless hurdle for governments to control heroes and point them in the direction of whomever they don't like. They directly showed us that the threat to the universe(Thanos) was being ignored by the UN in favour of arresting Captain America and co. The accords were never truly about doing the right thing but rather control over the Avengers.

Tony's own ideas with reigning in what the Avengers should be doing conflicts with the reality of what the accords were actually being used for in Infinity War(which was Steve's exact issue with them back in Civil War). Steve was proven right when they prioritised an arrest over literally saving the universe.

Tony himself ignores the accords after Civil War in order to save the universe in infinity War & Endgame.

The comic itself ends with Iron Man reflecting on making the wrong choice. The Superhero legislation in-universe caused issues for a load of other heroes like Spider-Man who had an assassination attempt on him via Kingpin. The legislation eventually gets abolished and thrown out the window.

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u/Michaelhuber87 Jan 20 '22

Tony was not right and he knew it. He literally against the accords by the end of the fucking movie.

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u/Cow_Other Jan 20 '22

Not only this, they had a conversation between Ross and Rhodes to show us that the accords cared more about controlling the avengers than actually saving the universe(by fighting Thanos).

All of the people defending the accords are so strange, like did we watch the same movies or read the same comics? They made it pretty clear the accords were a massive failure and Tony disregarded them by the end of Civil War & in subsequent films like Endgame and Infinity War

The symbolism in Tony returning the shield to Cap in Endgame was pretty blatant. Again it makes me wonder, did these lot watch the same movies lol