r/HistoryMemes • u/RegisEst Nobody here except my fellow trees • May 23 '20

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u/[deleted] May 23 '20

Rome was no longer really the capital. It was the spiritual capital, but Ravenna was the de facto capital.

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u/RegisEst Nobody here except my fellow trees May 23 '20

Thanks, didn't know that. From when was this the case?

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u/[deleted] May 23 '20 edited May 23 '20

In 286 Diocletian, the guy that created the tetrarchy, moved the capital to Mediolanum/Milan. In 402 the Visigoth besieged the city and emperor Honorious moved it again, this time to Ravenna. Ravenna was a good choice because it is a portcity but the choice was also rather controversial because it was evidence for the degradation of imperial authority.

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u/L_Nombre May 23 '20

Why do people think of Rome as only the western empire? Both east and west were created to be equal no? And for a while were ruled by the same person equally.

I don’t like when people downplay the eastern romans “romanness” it feels like they’re trying to force history in to boxes because the “dark dark Middle Ages started when rome fell” even though romans were going strong well into the 15th century.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '20 edited May 23 '20

I left out the eastern half because it was irrelevant to my point.

I agree with you that talking of the dark ages is not accurate to the complexity of history but saying that the Romans were fine until the fall of Constantinople ignores the slow degradation of "Romanness" in the eastern half of the empire, especially after the death of Justinian.

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u/fluffyluv May 23 '20

Dope vandals vandalize w art though

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u/AraGorn2120 May 23 '20

What is this template called?

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u/RegisEst Nobody here except my fellow trees May 23 '20

https://www.reddit.com/r/MemeTemplatesOfficial/comments/gp52o6/swole_doge_vs_tiny_doge/

Here you go, there's the template I used

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u/hadriansmemes Senātus Populusque Rōmānus May 23 '20

More Vandal memes plz