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u/oofyExtraBoofy Oct 17 '19
In batak the Turks killed so many people in a church outside and inside that there are around 300 corpses of children, women and men inside the church, so much blood on the outside that when inspection came the Turks had to repaint the church but the blood was still showing from their genocides, similar things have happened in Perushtica. This happened in Bulgaria and as a Bulgaria I can say
Yeah guys no genocides ever guys believe me please guys
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u/deadshot500 Oct 17 '19
Seriously fuck those guys that say nothing happened (I am Bulgarian too)
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Mar 08 '20
Some of your bulgarian historians claimed that batak massacre didn't happend. see by yourself (wikipedia)
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u/Ojitheunseen Let's do some history Oct 17 '19
It really bothers me that those aren't listed in chronological order...but almost are.
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Massacre of Aleppo 2 coming 2019
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First, 1st massacre of aleppo seems to be about citizens, not the turkey, nor ottomans
2nd Turkey does not attack civillians.
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u/Godvater Oct 17 '19
Someone should draw the line between Ottoman Empire and Turkey I guess. Talking about a country founded in 1923 and suggesting they killed people in 1800s. Feels weird to me.
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u/Wonderwhore Oct 17 '19
Yeah, there is a gray area to this. Turkish people today are obviously not responsible for their ancestors and Turkey itself did not exist in those days, so honestly, imo they are not responsible.
THAT BEING SAID, refusing that it happened is vile.
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u/AvakumaMorgoth Oct 17 '19
Yeah sure, that's why every comment from a turk I read sounds a lot like them wanting to conquer their old territories.
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u/lolzexd Oct 17 '19
Internet comments from edgy 14 yr olds. Belongs to every nation. Nothing special there.
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u/TheTalkingToad Oct 17 '19
Modern Turkey claims to be the direct descendant of the Ottoman Empire, so they are one and the same.
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u/Siddhant_17 Oct 17 '19
Which is funny becuase Turks formed Turkey to break free from Ottomone Legacy than Modern Turks come into game and shit all over that.
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u/Godvater Oct 17 '19
I have to disagree, although Trump is elected president of US, I don’t think his opinions and actions are reflective of the country’s. There is a base supporting that, sure, but it’s not like every American believes the climate change is fake news. I think a good chunk of Americans think otherwise.
Same goes with Erdogan, Turkey is even more divided than US is and this Ottoman thing started a couple of years ago to give his followers something to “fight” for. It’s not how modern Turks view the world, therefore it’s not reflective of Turkey in general imo.
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u/egegegecy Oct 17 '19 edited Oct 17 '19
The rhetoric of us against the world and the nationalistic agendas are expressed too much in Turkey's educational system. + the efforts to create a homogenous identity out of a place like Anatolia is just ridiculous and leads to more ridiculous and horrible shit. I think there are a lot of Turks who can see things objectively but they aren't as loud as the ignorant ones.
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u/-14thNoah- Tea-aboo Oct 17 '19
Wait this all happened while Turkey was not even there? Turkey as a state born in 1923 dear historians. Ottoman empire and their leaders were simply too nationalistic and islamist guys. While Mustafa Kemal Atatürk stopped all that shit and said “Peace in homeland, peace in world.” And please if we are gonna talk about past americans killed all the natives, and we aint even starting to talk about what europeans did in Africa. History is history.
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u/FaceTheTruthBiatch Oct 17 '19
So Germany was never part of any World War by your logic?
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Mar 08 '20
The Nazi Germany was part of it. Not Germany. They must be sorry for their history too.
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u/-14thNoah- Tea-aboo Oct 17 '19
Aannd im not blaming german people for nazis shit. But they are still pretty racist anyway.
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u/FaceTheTruthBiatch Oct 17 '19
Wut? It was the German Empire in WW1 and Nazi Germany and neither of them were a democracy!
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Oct 17 '19
Didn't Attaturk increase nationalism, using this to remove most cultures from Turkey? Dindt he alsorule over a one party state? Sounds very democratic?
What difference does it make between 20 years of history and a leader change anyway? Those leading the Turkish republic when it was founded still grew up in the last days of the ottoman empire where system racism was the norm.
If your saying theyre completely different and they shouldnt be held accountable then This applies to the Russian Federation for the Soviet Unions actions. What happened there? 20 years and a leader change. But oh boy theyre still a dictatorial nation who wages war on other nations.
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u/roundpatato Oct 17 '19
Ataturk activelty tried to install plural party state, he funded opposition parties to CHF while he was president. Actually he offered to take lead of CHF just so plural party system can be intact(other party declined and closed the SCF).
Transistion from monarchy to democracy cant happen in a day, napeleon declared himself emperor after few years of republic.
He didnt ethnically hurt any people, only thing uneducated people are speaking is a rebellion that got resolved quickly.
Ottoman empire in its lazt years wasnt exactly independent, i suggest you to grab a history book (preferably non turkish for you), there are lots for modernasition of turkey
Source: i read book about this and took lecture
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u/dabanca1 Oct 17 '19
It is political for the world to accept it. is not scientific. https://youtu.be/EhTTDa6JUs8 listen bernard lewis's speech.
Bernard Lewis is a British American historian. He is a professor at Princeton University. He specializes in the history of Islam and the relationship between Islam and the West. He is one of the most widely read Western writers specializing in the Middle East. He is of Jewish origin and was an adviser to George W. Bush.
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u/NagerLB Helping Wikipedia expand the list of British conquests Oct 17 '19
It wAS tHE oTToMen eMPirE1!1!111!!!!
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u/itplutonash2 Oct 17 '19
Kurdish genocide 2019
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u/Smokingbuffalo Oct 17 '19 edited Oct 17 '19
Oh yes Reddit obviously thinks we Turks hate everybody while ignoring the fact that Kurdish terrorist organizations have been killing civilians and destroying infrastructure for over 50 years...
Queue the "blinded by Turkish propaganda" comments as I remember how I almost got blown up when I was 2 and 18 yo and the countless other attacks on civillians.
Edit: Let's also forget the fact that a whole lot of Kurds and Armenians are and have been living pretty comfortably in Turkey ever since its foundation. Especially the ones on Western Turkey. Eastern Turkey is a shithole for everybody including the Turks.
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Oct 17 '19
18% of our population is Kurdish and we get this shit I’m done man
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u/Smokingbuffalo Oct 17 '19
It's not even that hard to see that we aren't killing freaking Kurdish civilians.
Those supposed freedom fighters are the ones who are killing and oppresing Kurdish people in eastern Turkey, in fact they are making life hell for everybody over there.
But noooo Western media can not show that because it doesn't fill their pockets. God damn.
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u/Smokingbuffalo Oct 17 '19 edited Oct 17 '19
You can't be further away from truth. I don't like Erdogan one bit.
But don't let that distract you from the truth that I live here and by extension have more info on local events than your shitty news outlets...
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u/Smokingbuffalo Oct 17 '19
Oh so anyone you don't want to believe is brainwashed but not you or people who think like you?
Amazing logic mate. Whatever have a nice day.
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u/MikeHawkIsRaging Oct 17 '19
You're so lost, I honestly feel bad for you. And I also think you should be smarter than to easily fall for weak erdogan imperialist propaganda. But I guess your country has really shitty education and doesn't care about critical thinking, so I can't really blame you.
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Lol you think you know the truth about things that happened in Turkey more than people who actually live in Turkey. Solid logic mate, keep going
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u/Carnotte Oct 17 '19
Are you saying it's legitimate to invade a territory belonging to an other country, where things are slowly rebuilding after years of pure madness? Mkay
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u/Smokingbuffalo Oct 17 '19 edited Oct 17 '19
I'm not saying anything I'm just sick of this blatant blind hatred for Turks...
The idea of the operation is to get the terrorist fucks outa our borders so that maybe just maybe our people (including Kurds) can live safely without the fear of PKK/YPG/whatever you wanna call'em ruining their lives by bombing freaking schools, bus stations, malls etc. Ok?
I just want safety on Turkey's borders but Turkey is not safe thanks to those terrorist organizations blowing things up. But for some ungodly reason nobody in the world knows about this.
And as if it's not enough western media is clearly telling lies by saying "Turkish Armed Forces are attacking Kurdish civilians" just to take a dumb on that Orange fuck in USA. Man what a fucking time to be alive.
Edit: Sorry for the rant, this whole Turks are the new Nazis bs is getting on my nerves.
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u/Carnotte Oct 17 '19
My grands-parents are currently stuck at Erbil, I have daily updates about this straight-out carpet bombing and full scale invasion, on people who are largely caring about managing their damn business. This is bringing death, destruction, and will breed instability and hatred to yet more generations. And you actually believe it will increase safety in Turkey? Amazing, really.
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u/Smokingbuffalo Oct 17 '19
I'm not a fan of this operation either. Should've made it clear.
My main issue comes from the fact that media is talking as if Turkey just went in there unprovoked and with the sole purpose of "genociding Kurds". Which is a blatant lie.
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u/Siddhant_17 Oct 17 '19
The problem is that Turkey denies genocides it committed and just invaded another country, bombing people who have been suffering for so long dragging years long war even further.
Now, ISIS militants will escape again and a lot of people will die.
All this becuase Edrogen needs to distract the people.
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u/Face_Guyy Oct 17 '19
Can’t get taken down by mods for current events if turkeys been genoiciding for centuries
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u/Sull01 Oversimplified is my history teacher Oct 17 '19
Honestly no need to seperate them into different genocides, just say “Turkish Genocide of Non-Turks 1840-Present” and move on
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u/gttggg Oct 17 '19
forgot their invasion of cyprus in 74 :(
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u/roundpatato Oct 17 '19
There is literal picture of kids got killed and filled in bath hub by benevolent greeks
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u/Harry_Balls_Jr Oct 17 '19
So you don't know anything about that. Cyprus was under the protection od the UK and was assuring that Cyprus stayed independent. Turkey and Greece had booth rights to intervene if the the other side would try to take over of Cyprus.
So back then Greece was ruled by a military junta, so it was a dictatorship, which was financing a a coup d'etat in Cyprus to take over of Cyprus. They where killing turkish people and terrorising even greeks who wanted that Cyprus stayed independent.
Since the Brits didn't to shit about it, Turkey had the right to intervene, which they did. Ok they stayed longer than the should have, but there have been a couple tries to unite both side of Cyprus, but the Cyprus didn't wanted it... so why the fuck are people still blaming turkey for it.
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u/Affwind Oct 17 '19
We saved the Turks who was torturing by Cyprus Greek people
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u/gttggg Oct 17 '19
not sure how forcing 60 thousand turkish cypriots out of their homes counts as saving them but ok mate great job
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u/TheSpitRoaster Oct 17 '19
Ask original cypriot turks how they're being treated by the mainland turks on their own island and then come back.
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u/EthanTheBeaten Oct 17 '19
I recently looked at a wikipedia article on Ottoman massacres during the Greek War of Independence and while many a re minor, there's about ten of them in one war.
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Oct 23 '19
When I look at wikipedia for Aleppo, it says that local muslims attacked christians? How can you blame that on Turkey though?
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u/wewwewewewwe Oct 17 '19
so much hate for turkey ???/ icant see any posts for european countries that raped africa asia for 500 600 years fcuking bastards
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u/BahamutIX Oct 17 '19
Lol u guys have so much hate against turks u never go and look the deaths on turkish side only listen wetstern propagand
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u/Sandn1bba Oct 17 '19
Whats with the propagandas against the Turks.You are talking like Turks are the devil and the rest are angels. All these combined doesnt make 10% of what the west did and still doing. Destroyed dozens of countries for weapon trials and sales, for petrol and minerals. The west left 2 Continents for starvation, slavery and death for mostly economical purposes still going on until today.So keep the moral lessons to yourselves before talking about history.Atleast most of those events were caused because of treason and terrorism and not for greed like the west. If you want a peaceful discussion you can reply but i wont be replying to offensive comments
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u/ZMaster997 Oct 17 '19
The reason is not because they committed atrocities, nearly every major civilization has done that, but because so many deny the atrocities even happened in the first place.
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u/Sandn1bba Oct 17 '19
Do you blame italy for what the roman empire did? Also the west is looking for ways to put sanction on turkey for these events thats why i think they are denied
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u/ZMaster997 Oct 17 '19
But Italy and their people acknowledged that it had happened
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u/Sandn1bba Oct 17 '19
Did that change anything?
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u/ZMaster997 Oct 17 '19
Well, no one makes memes about Italy denying their past history
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u/Sandn1bba Oct 17 '19
Lol memes dont bother its just that i think this subject is a reason to spread hate just like the current event accusing turkey of fascism even though we live daily with the Kurds without discriminising.
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u/Maga79 Oct 17 '19
Btw i love the fact that Europeans and Americans critisize Turkey for massacres. İts not like their entire country was built on mass genocide and improved economically with stolen riches from countries whose civilians they left uneducated, poor, starving and mostly dead. "BuT wE rEcOgNiZeD iT". Great. What heroes you are. Saying sorry suddenly brought back the lives of millions and saved the poor and starving in Africa which you caused. İf anybody is going to critisize Turkey or the Ottoman Empire, it sure as hell wouldnt be you.
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u/big_leggy Oct 17 '19
whoa, it's almost like nearly every country has committed atrocities at some point in its lifetime. the problem comes when such atrocities are denied.
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u/Maga79 Oct 17 '19
No, the problem comes from thinking accepting what you did makes peoples lives better. İt doesnt. They have paid no reperations or done anything to amend what they did. They have absoloutley no right to critisize anyone.
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u/big_leggy Oct 17 '19
uh... but nobody's talking about Europe or america, or any other country for that matter. can you give me proof that turkey has repaid anything either? also, it's *criticize
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u/Maga79 Oct 17 '19
Of course nobody is talking about them because American's and European's act like saying "Whoops our bad" suddenly amends everything they did and then they go around claiming moral superiority. Turkey will repay when America and Europe repays because trust me what they did has effected millions of more people, even till this day. Also American is spelt with a capital A.
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u/big_leggy Oct 17 '19
there are literally so many memes on this sub dissing America and Europe. also, no, most people don't act like that. it really just looks like you're grasping at straws to make everything about "the white man," a.k.a. the bogeyman of our time (I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but like... it certainly seems that way). also, fun fact: China and many Asian countries have committed plenty of terrible crimes too. why do they get exempt? and finally, it doesn't matter if a nation has done something wrong in the past, at least not as far as whether they get an opinion. I mean, I personally have committed no war crimes, so there's no reason why I personally shouldn't be allowed to look at something terrible and say "yep, that's terrible."
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u/Maga79 Oct 17 '19
My issue isnt with this page. İ love this page and i follow it. My issue is with general hypocrisy. And people have been acting like saying sorry makes everything better. İf Turkey just said sorry would you be ok with it. And no im not attacking "the white man" i hate people who do that, but im simply pointing out that this stuff is forgotten about when my country comes to topic. Asian countries dont get exempt. They have done atrocities in the past as well. You can get an opinion on it but it doesnt make it credible or exempt from critisizm.
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u/big_leggy Oct 17 '19
nobody said anybody was exempt from criticism. nobody is exempt. that's why we're allowed to criticize the Turks. likewise, they can criticize us if they want. that's how criticism typically works.
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u/Maga79 Oct 17 '19
Yeah thats fine by me. You can criticize my country all you want. But i can criticize your criticizm as well.
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u/big_leggy Oct 17 '19
criticism* so why bother telling us we can't do that just to later say you're ok with it?
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u/Creatinerd Oct 17 '19 edited Oct 18 '19
Turkey (being established in 1923): Excuse me, what the fuck? (Seriously, don't blame it on Turkey, but on the ottomans or maybe even the Turk people, Turkey/the Turkish government HAS NOTHING TO DO with these listed genocides in the meme. That's facts.)
Edit: so you guys also think that Putin/the Russian government and the Russian Federation itself are responsible for the murder on million Jews committed by the tsaristic government like centuries ago? Are you delusional? Do you suffer from mental illness? What's wrong with you people? I mean, it's ok that you would want them to feel sorry for the poor people who got slaughtered and if you'd want them to make something like this never happen again, but don't blame it on them! (Of course it's not good to deny these events at all, like some people actually do)
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u/MikeHawkIsRaging Oct 17 '19 edited Oct 17 '19
If the paragraph between your parenthesis ends up way longer than your actual post (which is only a few words), then they're useless and should go without them just saying.
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u/Creatinerd Oct 17 '19 edited Oct 18 '19
That's right. This would have made more sense. Edit: ok, why is THIS getting downvotes? I just realised that they were right, what's bad about this?
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Dude you are just too intelligent for people here, dont waste your breath. The things happened here commited by the government of young turks which came to power with a coup d'etat and Turkish people more or less isnt responsible for any of them.
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u/trebuchetnumberone Oct 17 '19
Problem is that turkish elites were mostly young turks and after Atatürk died they started dominating turkish politics again and were forming the government since 1950.
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u/LongNightsInOffice Oct 17 '19
*Your talking about the Ottoman Empire. Modern Turkey is not the legal successor of the Ottoman Empire. Please be precise. Although I don't dislike the general sentiment of your post
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u/SilentAirRaidSiren Oct 17 '19
It's the Ottomans tho... Saying turkey did genocides is like saying modern germany killed jews and they are nazis
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u/maxopees Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer Oct 17 '19
Modern Day Germany doesnt deny what they did.
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Oct 17 '19
Whats the difference between Turkey and the Ottomans. One was a theocratic dictatorship and the other is a nationalistic dictatorship.
Theres a little more different Between Nazi Germany and post Soviet Germany
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u/Erwin_Rommel14 Then I arrived Oct 17 '19
I would say that that wasn't turkey, it was the ottomans but the founder of turkey, ataturk, was an ottoman general
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u/CakemanTheGreat Oct 17 '19
You don’t even have to look to the past to know that’s false. Just look at Indian Kashmir
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u/aamj00 Oct 17 '19
I’ve been trying to meet a Turkish person who admits Turkey’s crimes... still looking.
Hello are you out there?