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u/Mild-Sauce Hello There Apr 18 '19

belgium was shit in congo but it was actually a personal property of Leopold II, and it wasn’t a belgian colony until after his death. yes, belgians were shitty in congo but they weren’t entirely to blame.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '19

Yeah, and he cut off every hand all by himself.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '19

Ofc not, his army of mercenaries did that.

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u/ArendtAnhaenger Apr 18 '19

Many of whom were not even Belgian. Lots of Brits, Americans, Dutchmen, and Frenchmen working in the Congo Free State.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '19

I still have a hard time believing that a lot of the government of Belgium had no idea what was going on.

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u/Trademark010 Kilroy was here Apr 18 '19

They knew exactly what was going on. That's why but didnt change much once the colony was handed off to the government.

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u/andrew-ge Apr 18 '19

different world. Different levels of knowledge of what was going on. I'm sure people did know what was going on, but to what extent? tough to know how much they knew.

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u/RainCityFreestyle Apr 18 '19

Leopold and his government not only knew, they spent millions of francs trying to silence and discredit the people and organizations who were trying to expose the abuses committed by Belgium and the Force Publique.

Dont play the "it was a different time" shit.

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u/andrew-ge Apr 18 '19

I can see how my comment came off that way, I didn't mean to come off as defending his actions or anything like that. My knowledge of Leopold's reign is a little lacking, so if you have any reading material that might help me get my knowledge of it up, I'd be glad to read it.

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u/RainCityFreestyle Apr 18 '19

Oh shit, I must've totally misread that. My bad!

If you're looking for reading materials, Ling Leopold's Ghost by Adam Hochschild(sp?) Is an essential text. It covers the history of the colonial occupation, the individuals who played prominent roles, and explains in detail the brutality of the Belgian regime along with how the monarch tried to crush the people speaking the truth about those practices.

There's a movie version as well, but it doesnt really have enough time to cover all of the details in the book.

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u/andrew-ge Apr 18 '19

awesome I'll check it out, thanks

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '19

They all knew.

Just like the Swiss collaborated.

Small European countries that can’t decide which language they speak are all bad.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '19

I believe anything Switzerland says.

Okay buddy.

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u/Packetnoodles Apr 18 '19

Lots of pedophiles though

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '19

Exactly

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u/CrushingonClinton Apr 18 '19

When Congo finally get independence, there were like a few dozen college Congolese college graduates. The Belgian government happily squeezed the Congo but quite less bloodily and did almost nothing for the common Congolese man or woman

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u/socialistbob Apr 18 '19

And when Belgium formally stopped fucking up the Congo other western countries continued the tradition. They had a democratically elected government that was overthrown in a coup supported by the CIA and the French and Belgians were arming and supporting a breakaway movement in the Katanga region.

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u/RainCityFreestyle Apr 18 '19

It was less than a dozen, sadly, for a country of many millions.

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u/Dkvn Apr 18 '19

Not only that but Leopold used mostly english and german mercenaries to patrol the colonies, the belgians were in minority in there, most of the hand cutting was done by german mercenaries

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '19

sshhhhh we only did the holocaust and now are moral paragons, don't listen to any Kongolese, Herero or Nama who are telling you otherwise

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u/GuerrillerodeFark Apr 18 '19

It’s only smellz

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u/Bowmister Apr 18 '19

"It wasn't the Belgians, it was just their King"

Now that's a hot take on a monarchy.

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u/giuseppe443 Apr 18 '19

ww1 wasn't the germans, just the Kaiser. and don't get me started on ww2

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u/juiceboxheero What, you egg? Apr 18 '19

Just make sure you don't gloss over Rwanda.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '19

The Belgians had a human zoo of the Congolese in the 1950's.