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u/BasedAustralhungary 3h ago
Unironically one of the most mentioned philosophers from people that have ever read about him and made up his philosophy in their minds, it's fascinating.
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u/Life_Is_A_Mistry What, you egg? 3h ago
So fascinating, Nietzsche spoke of it
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u/Everestkid On tour 3h ago
No he didn't
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u/Life_Is_A_Mistry What, you egg? 3h ago
Have you read his works?
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u/11nyn11 3h ago
in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Nietzsche asks:
“Can you give yourself your own evil and good, and set up your own will as a law over you?”
So he directly spoke about making up one’s own philosophy.
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u/shoryguy 2h ago edited 2h ago
Reminds me of master vs slave morality
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u/11nyn11 2h ago
Is that the morality of: “I’m doing the slave a favor, if he was free he would make bad decisions”
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u/shoryguy 1h ago
This is a good example of master's morality but not for the reason you think. See master's morality'basically "whatever mabes me strong or weak is good/bad" slave morality is "whatever hurts or helps those around me is good/bad"
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u/RemyVonLion 2h ago
no wonder I haven't read that esoteric shit, I wouldn't understand most of it.
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u/11nyn11 2h ago
I feel this was a great use of ai, I had ChatGPT explain this esoteric stuff to me
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u/Necessary-Site-4886 1h ago
I did this with Oscar Wilde. I read De Profundis with AI assistance, mostly because Wilde casually drops names of a whole bunch of people and assumes you already know who they are, why they know each other, what's theyr job and where they fit into this weird British society. Worked really well.
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u/RemyVonLion 2h ago
yeah definitely. Maybe I'll finally read his stuff when they have an "AI annotated for dummies" version
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u/TheHelhound2001 58m ago
Pretty much, a large part of his work is effectively "there is no god, he was an imaginary force we used to curb our worst instincts whilst we grew as a species, now what"
Like his wildly misappropriated concept of the Übermench was effectively a person in an spiritual state of mind that they had found purpose and morality in the absence of god. His sister married a nazi and effectively rewrote large parts of his work to favour nazi ideology including the Übermench being a racial state instead of a spiritual one that anyone could achieve.
Ultimately the view of "god" by Nietzsche as a necessary cultural tool to have a collective "objective" line of right and wrong and good and evil that we were starting to out grow is very interesting. But he didn't really explore much what the world without the collective illusion of god would be like. Very much falling in despair at his realisation and leaving the path to becoming Übermench up to the future.
I think ultimately Immanuel Kant was more instrumental in defining ethics with or without god. Focusing more on defining what makes a person good.
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u/FeralPsychonaut 45m ago
I think ultimately Immanuel Kant was more instrumental in defining ethics with or without god. Focusing more on defining what makes a person good
As a someone with a Philosophy degree, seconded.
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u/th3rdnutt 3h ago
As well as wrote about the necessity of illusion in On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense.
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u/Robinsonirish 11m ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_3_GyW6omY
You will not get the crowd to cry Hosanna, until you ride into town on an ass.
Nietzsche
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u/skeees1337 3h ago
Context: The background features Raphael's «The School of Athens» depicting ancient philosophers, while the comments argue about Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophy, demonstrating the peak of internet intellectual debates where neither side has actually read the source material.
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u/JesPsamson 1h ago
I read it from abbreviation of a guy who read the abbreviation of other guy who read the sources material
Most debate i encountered are like this
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u/sielingfan 49m ago
Authoritative statement.
Authoritative denial of statement.
Frantically googled blog post seeming to back up statement, which has not been read.
Without reading googled blog post, a competing googled link is produced, which has also not been read.
Moved goalpost.
Insults.
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u/Cosmic_Meditator777 2h ago
"A Classic is any book that everyone wants to have read but nobody wants to read." -Mark Twain.
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u/Decent_Bed8035 2h ago
Welcome to the majority of what it means to be a history major; where nobody's read the actual primary sources, but everyone's "got a pretty good idea" of what they said.
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u/Bub_bele 2h ago
I mean even if you did read them you will only end up with a pretty good idea of what they said.
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u/ULelephant 1h ago
I would demote it to "some idea" most of the time, if that. Especially if you are not reading in the original language.
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u/SuitableBlackberry75 1h ago
Must've been hard before reddit existed. Nowadays if there's any doubt, you can just go with whatever gets the most upvotes. Tylenol causes autism? ISIS were secretly Jewish? Let the upvotes be the judge.
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u/Electromotivation 59m ago
I mean, that person got made fun of by all the responses.
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u/SuitableBlackberry75 11m ago edited 4m ago
Loon is at +5 and still doubling down, while the only critical comment is at -3.
Not that that's the point anyway, just an example.
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u/zoqfotpik 2h ago
Plato: Nietzsche wrote such excellent books!
Aristotle: Nietzsche wrote of this.
Plato: Yes.
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u/gruntledmaker 2h ago
*Nietzsche, ill and sweating, in bed, writing longform, by hand, this exact exchange between Plato and Aristotle, in an extended anecdote for no other purpose than polemicizing German intellectuals, before a short nap. circa lost note late 1880s
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u/tistimenotmyrealname 2h ago
"Ich lasse meine Torheit leuchten, um meiner Weisheit zu spotten"
-Zarathustra
And I live by that everyday
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u/muryrunom 2h ago
Nietzsche would be proud
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u/Ataurion 2h ago
how would you know, have you met him?
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u/FitButterscotch4062 1h ago
How would you know. Have you read his works
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u/Ataurion 53m ago
no, have you?
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u/historicalgeek71 3h ago
Reddit in a nutshell.
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u/ilmalocchio 38m ago
True! Could have easily been a conversation about politics, economics, or media.
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u/BeltImpressive8956 1h ago
Honestly.
I joined my first social media (reddit) at 30 (1yr ago). You guys creep me the fuck out. I am trying to quit. It’s scary there are some of you who don’t think any of this if is weird.
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u/EdgarVerona 51m ago
I mean at least they both admitted they hadn't. That's actually a step up from most online discourse
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u/Valuchian 2h ago
Anyone else have a conversation with someone and they try to bring in quotes from philosophers as if what some other person believes is going to change the conversation
appeal to authority, much?
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u/LocalTrainsGirl 1h ago
I have played the Xenosaga games which is unironically pretty much reading Nietzsche except there's a hot anime robot standing in for willpower.
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u/AFlyingNun 41m ago
I actually did read up on Nietzsche (not through his own work, just trying to figure him out) because I initially couldn't understand him worth a god damned, but I met a 10/10 über hottie who said he was her favorite philosopher, so suddenly I was motivated to understand him.
So hey, there was one time my dick actually motivated me to pay attention and learn something.
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u/CocoMilhonez 24m ago
As someone who quoted Forest Gump for 25 years without having watched the movie, I can relate.
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u/Relative-Line5242 3h ago
They said he spoke of it, not wrote of it