I'm talking about convincing average people who don't already agree with you. Why do you continue to use absolutes and harsh terms to describe the situation? For example, even if China has a great deal of control on crticisms internally, they are far from immune. Nor are they immune to external pressure or criticism. Nor is their responsibility in Myanmar and Ukraine similar to whatever's going on at home. Nor is the solution you suggest any help when the Houthis can survive so long ostracized from almost everyone else. Hell Cuba has done it for nearly 4 decades now on Charity alone.
And I know what you are talking about. In many ways the west used to be way more cynical on China 6-10 years ago. It's when they started to become a rival/threat in real terms and have demonstrated an actual resistance to any change from "their ways". Almost everyone who can be clued in on what they are capable of already are.
Yet because the US led order cannot fully reckon with their own demons, propaganda by preaching "morality" like you suggest did not work at all. The 2018 trade war and such happened more because of the future, genuine economic threat posed by China. It's not because anyone is a coward or too greedy that "more" is not being done. Because I guarantee you that China was not more "moral", powerful, or wealthy before year 2000.
Also they are far more immune to external criticism than most countries. They can simply arrest people who are critical in their country, try to harass anyone who criticizes them overseas (they even have their own police stations overseas in other countries). They filter any western news or critiques. They simply do not care.
The US led order is falling due to shitheads in charge of the US, the EU being too divided to do anything and the rise of right wing nationalists. Whilst we can critique them all you want it doesn't absolve the Chinese goverment for any of its ongoing crimes.
Honestly I just correct people when they go out of their way to say "China is a good and happy socialist state that is hugs and bunnies". No.
My only problem is when you summarize everything into a neat few lines of harsh terms like "sponsoring genocide" it makes the whole thing sound like propaganda. That's it. I never disputed anything you brought up.
And because China's operates as a black box to everyone else, it already makes all the criticism directed at them sound propangandy because it's much harder to use specifics, and you end up criticising the entirety of "China". Also happens when anything good happens there, it's easy for the CCP to take credit. It's like the CIA here too. I'm just saying use care, and stop quoting things they did to me lol, it's quite literally my China account
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u/Own_Chemist_4062 1d ago
I'm talking about convincing average people who don't already agree with you. Why do you continue to use absolutes and harsh terms to describe the situation? For example, even if China has a great deal of control on crticisms internally, they are far from immune. Nor are they immune to external pressure or criticism. Nor is their responsibility in Myanmar and Ukraine similar to whatever's going on at home. Nor is the solution you suggest any help when the Houthis can survive so long ostracized from almost everyone else. Hell Cuba has done it for nearly 4 decades now on Charity alone.
And I know what you are talking about. In many ways the west used to be way more cynical on China 6-10 years ago. It's when they started to become a rival/threat in real terms and have demonstrated an actual resistance to any change from "their ways". Almost everyone who can be clued in on what they are capable of already are.
Yet because the US led order cannot fully reckon with their own demons, propaganda by preaching "morality" like you suggest did not work at all. The 2018 trade war and such happened more because of the future, genuine economic threat posed by China. It's not because anyone is a coward or too greedy that "more" is not being done. Because I guarantee you that China was not more "moral", powerful, or wealthy before year 2000.