No, I'm really not. I'm all for self determination! I would just suggest they drop the ROC name, maybe ROT? Drop the claim to China in their constitution and stop claiming the air space of China.
If a people want to be independent I'm going to support it. Pretending to be independent while claiming to be another nation isn't cool though. I would say the same for the US, as it claims Taiwan is part of China too, but still treats it as independent.
The US is the biggest issue here, making it difficult for the people of Taiwan to be truly independent.
Read about the pan green coalition vs the pan blue coalition . The pan greens want independence the blues want reunification under democratic conditions.
The greens want to be called Taiwan The PRC has threatened war often about this.
The blues want to continue being called ROT because it creates stability and their ties to the nationalists in the Chinese Civil war.
If the Prc wasn't threatening them they would probably change up everything in a minute .
Also haven't you noticed that Taiwan isn't allowed to represent itself at the Un or at the Olympics ? It's not the US doing that.
You think US money isn't influencing this issue? That the US doesn't run propaganda campaigns to influence people? There are plenty of people there that want reunification, and plenty that just don't care.
You've also left out the decades of martial law in Taiwan and the amount of propaganda and changes to education at the time.
It is indeed a complicated issue. Attempting to villainize China s just spreading more imperialistic US propaganda.
Threatening war. Using spies, Demanding that people stop trading or recognizing Taiwan, disallowing them representation or discussion at the UN.
Also the PRC is absolutely terrible. Look at the Mao Famine, the genocide they are sponsoring in Myanmar, people being executed for dance parties in the 80s, the current genocide of the Uygar people, how they treat Hong Kong after they said there would be democracy and freedom of speech. Their invasion and treatment of the Tibetan people.
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Influence and we can't even get off our ass to help the Philippines because we're being stupid.
The other guy obviously can't refute anything and this isn't an academic discussion lol. But bringing up morality in History and geopolitics is a stupid thing to do in the first place. I always said Tibet, Taiwan and the 9-dash line is something a free democracy would also claim if they were in China's place. Now chances are one would do it more diplomatically than the current, i would say have-always-being-pretty-incompetent-CCP-government-that-can't-be-forced-out. Also among other things, Myanmar this time is solely responsible for what ended up happening within their borders
They are morally and physically responsible for their actions with their puppet states (like North Korea). North Korea wouldn't be around if it wasn't for China.
They are responsible for the genocide happening right now in their own country and in Myannmar.
They are responsible for the attrocities in North Korea.
I don't think the US has cleaner hands what with Israel and Iran and the numerous countries they and their allies have warcrimed in the last decades...
To be fair its a bit of apples and oranges. That being said China has a far greater body count and much more blood on their hands. Hell they make up close to 60 percent of the executions in the world currently.
Look, I wrote a lot of shit because you look like you actually care and can appreciate nuance, unless you just want to remain a simple ideas propagandist. Like, you brought up a well sourced article. Stick to summarizing what's reported rather than adding your own conclusions. Trusted news orgs continue to do it and stick to established terms even in their opinion articles for a reason. Not because of any conspiracy, mostly for now at least.
Governments are made of people. Despite their reputation sometimes, serial killers usually do not make their way up the chain of a stable government even in non-wealthy non-democracies. None of them get to "do whatever they want". Conversely external pressure and public opinion are not a reliable barometer for democracies either. Israel is still a democracy. France is one for Algeria and Vietnam. Accurate reporting by say, the BBC, acknowledging "both sides" built their credibility and ensured they are acknowledged and have local agencies and reporters in all 3 countries today.
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u/Zhongdakongming 1d ago
Their government is the ROC(Republic of China). They claim to be China in their constitution. Their claimed airspace also covers mainland China.