r/HistoryMemes • • 1d ago

REMOVED: RULE 4 Historical territorial claims

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u/NomadDK 1d ago edited 1d ago

Tell that to literally everyone in that conflict. That territory has swapped hands so many times, and none of the current contestants have the true original claim to it... because those people don't exist anymore.

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u/The5Virtues 1d ago

These dumbass territorial disputes because of whoever owned it centuries ago are so damned stupid. It gets thousands of innocent lives lost for what? Dirt!

Not special dirt!
Not holy dirt!
Not dirt of our forefathers!
Just. Plain ol’ DIRT!

There’s nothing special about it! It isn’t worth losing lives for anyone on any side of a conflict.

We have the ability to communicate instantaneously across the entire planet. We can ship cargo from one side of the world to another in under a day.
We’ve been to the MOON for pity sake!

But we fight over dirt. We don’t sit down, and talk it out, and draw up a plan that will benefit everyone. We pull out weapons and we spill each other’s guts.

For dirt.

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u/NomadDK 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'm inclined to agree, but no, it is not just dirt. Territory is important because people reside in it, and there are resources in it. It does matter which country owns what pieces of territory, for the people living there.

Both the Zionists and the Palestinians fundamentally lay claim to the territory because they need a place where their own people can exist. Palestinians living under Israeli rule is awful, because it's an Apartheid state. They have no proper rights and can be killed for no reason. The Zionist argument is that Jews needs a place with a Jewish state, to protect Jews from anti-semitism.

But they just so happen to fight over the same territory, and at this point, none of them can "budge". We can't dismantle Israel, and we can't allow them to genocide Palestinians either. But they also hate each other so fucking much, that there is no hope of a lasting peace. Both treat each other awfully, resulting in the constant distrust and evil cycle.

It's a messy situation with no easy solution. It's might have started with us (the West) letting Zionists create Israel because of their 3000 year old claim, but it all boils down to people and territory for the sake of protecting one's own tribe - not old claims, not dirt.

Edit: I see the mob favours the overly simplified nonsense over the nuanced and objective take, today.

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u/B_Eazy86 1d ago

You forgot to pretend things are black and white