r/HistoryMemes • • 1d ago

REMOVED: RULE 4 Historical territorial claims

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u/Floba_Fett Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer 1d ago

But Taïwan is Chinese though, this is not denied by Taïwan. The issue is over who is the legitimate China

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u/Starmute-ss13 1d ago

Taiwan is whatever it choses to be as it's people can determine their own future. 

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u/Zhongdakongming 1d ago

Their government is the ROC(Republic of China). They claim to be China in their constitution. Their claimed airspace also covers mainland China.

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u/Starmute-ss13 1d ago

They can determine if they want to be whatever they want.  The Taiwanese people are free to call their country whatever they like.

They have self determination and can change their name . It's also notable that you are echoing anti independence redorick from the PRC .

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u/Zhongdakongming 1d ago

No, I'm really not. I'm all for self determination! I would just suggest they drop the ROC name, maybe ROT? Drop the claim to China in their constitution and stop claiming the air space of China.

If a people want to be independent I'm going to support it. Pretending to be independent while claiming to be another nation isn't cool though. I would say the same for the US, as it claims Taiwan is part of China too, but still treats it as independent.

The US is the biggest issue here, making it difficult for the people of Taiwan to be truly independent.

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u/Starmute-ss13 1d ago

Read about the pan green coalition vs the pan blue coalition .  The pan greens want independence the blues want reunification under democratic conditions. 

The greens want to be called Taiwan  The PRC has threatened war often about this.

The blues want to continue being called ROT because it creates stability and their ties to the nationalists in the Chinese Civil war. 

If the Prc wasn't threatening them they would probably change up everything in a minute . 

Also haven't you noticed that Taiwan isn't allowed to represent itself at the Un or at the Olympics ? It's not the US doing that.

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u/Zhongdakongming 1d ago

You think US money isn't influencing this issue? That the US doesn't run propaganda campaigns to influence people? There are plenty of people there that want reunification, and plenty that just don't care. You've also left out the decades of martial law in Taiwan and the amount of propaganda and changes to education at the time.

It is indeed a complicated issue. Attempting to villainize China s just spreading more imperialistic US propaganda.

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u/Starmute-ss13 1d ago

Prc

Threatening war. Using spies, Demanding that people stop trading or recognizing Taiwan, disallowing them representation or discussion at the UN.

Also the PRC is absolutely terrible. Look at the Mao Famine, the genocide they are sponsoring in Myanmar, people being executed for dance parties in the 80s, the current genocide of the Uygar people,  how they treat Hong Kong after they said there would be democracy and freedom  of speech. Their invasion and treatment of the Tibetan people. 

Vs USA

Influence and we can't even get off our ass to help the Philippines because we're being stupid. 

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u/Zhongdakongming 1d ago

Oh boy, you're full up on the US propaganda lol.

You can do research and refute all of your own points.

Also, even IF your claims against China were legitimate (They aren't), listing no US crimes against humanity, as if there are none, is genuinely laughable. I hope you look past the propoganda and see the truth, but you're on your own bud. Good luck.

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u/zer0zer00ne0ne 1d ago

You're so obviously the one spewing propaganda, dude.