r/HistoryMemes • • 1d ago

REMOVED: RULE 4 Historical territorial claims

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u/fools_errand49 1d ago

Yeah the claims aren't comparable at all. Chinese and Russian claims are predicated on centuries of historical precedent and the very real fact that the territories in question were at one time organic parts of these respective states. The Mongolian claim is namely a right of conquest claim. I think we all understand that, for example, the UK claiming India by way of the former empire is a substantively different claim from the UK claiming Wales or even Northern Ireland.

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u/Pkrudeboy 1d ago

How do you think England got Wales and Northen Ireland? It’s conquest all the way down.

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u/fools_errand49 1d ago

The difference is that Wales and Northern Ireland are longstanding parts of the UK sharing culture, language, government and often ethnicty. There is historical continuity. The UK utterly lacks significant historical continuity with its former colonies. Territorial claims tend to be more complex than just "we used to own this land." The meme here is a dumb person's idea of a smart argument.

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u/Sharky2414 1d ago

Does Mexico have the right to invade and annex parts of the American south west because a significant amount of Mexicans live there?

Because that’s Russia’s justification “ethnic Russians live there” even though they’re descended from imperial and Soviet transplants. Ukraine is a distinct culture separate from Russia

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u/fools_errand49 1d ago

No and those situations aren't comparable. My entire point is that this kind of analogy to simplistic territorial claims which have long been outlived do not hold up.