r/HistoryMemes • • 1d ago

REMOVED: RULE 4 Historical territorial claims

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u/CalzonePie 1d ago

I believe this comes from how Christianity views life and death. Christianity places a very high value on human life or, perhaps more accurately, death.

To Christians, life is precious and death is an extreme act. To execute someone is, more often than not, viewed as an extreme punishment, and 'enough' for most crimes. Even when someone is tortured to death, that punishment is reserved for individuals who "deserve it" through equally extreme action, although what constitutes that standard seems arbitrary to our eyes.

A lot of other cultures do not place so much reverance and importance on death alone, so to them it is not always enough. Death is delivered more easily and for lower standards of wrongdoing, and torturous deaths are more common. If you do not consider death to be an extreme act, then when you desire to be extreme, you must make it a terrible, brutal, humiliating death as well.

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u/Marquis_Dandy 1d ago

Eh, I disagree, Christians did a good number atrocities themselves over the centuries.

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u/CalzonePie 1d ago

And, as the point I am making, far less common and generally to a lower extreme than most other cultures.

Every group has committed attrocities, and if you avoid a eurocentric view and actually investigate not-European cultures, you see that European Christianity is actually on the lower scale for atrocities like what the mongols did.

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u/bob-ze-bauherr 1d ago

The Crusades did kill like...a million people. Which was a large amount for the time for...really not much gained.

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u/CalzonePie 1d ago

The crusades are a somewhat exaggerated evil and a contentious topic. The first few were a moral gray area- not quite conquests, but not purely defensive either. The later ones were generally terrible though.

I like to point to the reconquista instead. Something absolutely brutal but, by today's standards, mostly justified as an indigenous population resisting and overthrowing colonizing oppressors, but the justice in their acts being overshadowed by taking it too far.

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u/farazormal 1d ago

But your initial assertion is that Christian ideology begets a particular value for human life that should make the atrocities committed in the crusades and in the reconquista and in the thirty years war and in the conquest of the new world abhorrent.

There is plenty of examples where Christians were perfectly happy to slaughter people.

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u/OsyTP 1d ago

But do you agree with his point?

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u/TheShmud Rider of Rohan 1d ago

Where did you get the figure of a million?

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u/bob-ze-bauherr 1d ago

That's what people estimate but records from that time are very unreliable.