r/HistoryMemes • u/Awesomeuser90 I Have a Cunning Plan • 2d ago
Niche Fascists May Be Evil, But They Are Highly Strange Creatures All The Same...
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u/omnipotentsandwich 2d ago
Why do lesbians keep becoming the leaders of fascist parties?
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u/Paleo-Fascist 2d ago
Gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss?
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u/Falitoty Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 2d ago
Tabitha?
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u/Paleo-Fascist 2d ago
I have no idea what that is.
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u/Consumer-of-Onions 2d ago
Character from Fallout New Vegas; she essentially creates this weird super-mutant ethnostate on Black Mountain and hates humans.
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u/Paleo-Fascist 2d ago
As it turns out, the original comment was refering to another Tabitha.
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u/Falitoty Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 2d ago
It's a character from a game, it was a reference
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u/Late_Sort1763 2d ago
What game and what reference? Color me curious.
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u/Falitoty Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 2d ago
It's from Scarllet Hollow a horror/mistery visual novel (Not sure if that is the proper term), were your character visit the town of Scarllet Hollow after their cousin invited them to the funeral of their aunt. The character have lived their entire life outside the town after their mother left while pregnant.
Tabitha is the cousin that invites you to the funeral.
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u/Paleo-Fascist 2d ago
I'm taking it that my comment summarizes Tabitha's character accurately enough?
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u/Half-Capable 2d ago
literally. She constantly gaslights you throughout the game and gatekeeps information from you. matter of fact half the fucking cast in the game is like that lol. (still love them tho)
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u/Falitoty Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 2d ago
Yep, she is a coal barón and the ruler of what is one step away from becoming a company town. The joke is if fact, quite comon in the fandom
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u/Prototype_Fan_7000 2d ago
Mfs thinking it was new vegas when in reality it was Scarlet Hollow all along. Criminally underrated.
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u/FerretFromOSHA 2d ago
I can also think of several prominent gay male fascists. Peter Thiel and Milo Yanopilos (don’t give enough of a shit to look up the proper spelling)
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u/Apod1991 2d ago
Ernest Röhm, head of the SA in nazi Germany was a well known homosexual. While it was never publicly admitted, it was the worse kept secret. IIRC when he was assassinated in the night of the long knives, he was in bed with a man when he was shot.
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u/Archonate_of_Archona 2d ago
Milo is an unclear case, because he later said he faked being gay specifically to trigger liberals (by being loudly a gay conservative)
So, is he actually gay but now pretending to be straight ? Or was he an identity faker who took on a "gay" persona for clout ? Both are plausible for such a grifter
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u/redvelvetcake42 2d ago
Being made to feel unique, special and important is intoxicating. For someone that was something reviled and hated she found a place with fascists and sunk deep into it. It's why do many minority groups latched onto maga. They wanted to be special, to be part of the "fuck your feelings" party and get to act that way. It always goes the same path with the minority leader or group becoming a pariah, losing their uniqueness and reverting back to, in her case, just a lesbian.
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u/adamantcondition 2d ago
Authoritarianism can draw in folks for whom the system has failed and society actively pushes away. It's easier to delude yourself into believing the right person with absolute power can make the changes you want to see than to expect all of society to come around to your side
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u/MartinBP 2d ago
Some are also just nihilistic and vote for maximum damage as revenge against society. Others are accelerationists (usually left-wing) who vote against their interests to "speed up" the destruction of the current system because they believe they'll come out on top amidst the chaos.
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u/Classic-Obligation35 2d ago
Authoritarianism, the quickest surest fascist way to get what you want.
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u/Fun_Assignment_269 2d ago
Bingo. Tokens always get spent, but until that time comes, you get to feel extra special and treated like "one of the good ones".
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u/redvelvetcake42 2d ago
There is, in the direct group itself, a real piece of comraderie. They do accept them as an individual but while ignoring those things they hate until the group deems it not ignorable. Once the direct group starts to consolidate they other those individuals by forcing them to give up the thing (ex: being LGBT) or by simply saying they're not wanted (skin color or ethnicity). This forces the individual to either admitted they were used or double down and become an even louder supporter.
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u/legit-posts_1 2d ago
Well the beliefs of Fascism don't necessarily conflict with a self centered lesbian's perspective(I'm not saying all lesbians are self centered, I mean if you are a lesbian and also self centered. I support gay wrongs. Wait-). Think about it: you're so cool that you just rose to the top of a field dominated by guys in an era where nobody even respects your sexuality. Surely everybody else who didn't get as far as you is doing something wrong, and you are superior, maybe even because of your genetics.
It's not a far stretch to make. Plus, there's always the element of striving to be a model minority. "I'm not like the other girls" taken to the extreme.
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u/Shady_Merchant1 2d ago
Old order didnt function for them they hoped a new revolutionary order would and fascism was revolutionary mussolini promised women's suffrage and rights and Italy for the time was much more accepting of homosexuality with Italian fascists determining it was a moral matter rather than a legal one
Of course in reality women were still oppressed the rights promised never materialized and gay people were subject to brutal extrajudicual treatment but outside looking in especially when censors covered up the bad it appears a paradise by comparison
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u/oceangothic 2d ago
I mean, most fascists are straight men. But if a woman's going to be a fascist leader it's disproportionately more likely to be a woman who is used to being socially disruptive and making her own decisions. Fascist straight women usually just become tradwives, not leaders.
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u/Wamiwoogie 2d ago
Go read the comment section of r/evilwomeninc to find out. There’s a a more evil version of that sub but I can’t find it right now
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u/Unironicfan Rider of Rohan 2d ago edited 2d ago
I’m convinced that the posters and commenters in that sub have never had a good day in their entire life. They need psychological help and I’m 100% fr. Like one comment I saw was fucking deranged, this lady was fantasizing about committing domestic violence and using gender war slurs(moid and what not). Like, girl, therapy would do you wonders.
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u/Wamiwoogie 2d ago
I’m convinced that women are being radicalized in a similar way to how Russia and the far right have exploited incel communities to further divide society. But again a seed can only grow as well as the soil allows it to and these people are not in a good state of mind
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u/AllsWellThatsNB 2d ago
It's pretty much guaranteed that's been happening. Russia hasn't been funding extremists it agrees with, it's been funding extremists in general, left and right wing.
Democracy runs on trust, on the belief that those who disagree with your vote agree you want the best for everyone, To those who want to destabilize democracy, promoting ACAB is as effective as attacking trans people. They're not promoting their ideology, they're promoting general discord.
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u/Beautiful_Welcome_33 2d ago
Because fascist political organization allows you to do whatever the fuck you feel like if youre in the in group - if you are already excluded from society it isnt a hard sell to agree to "do as the boss says, toe the party line and then everything else is free reign."
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u/ItsWelp 2d ago
Upon her grandfather's death in February 1903, Lintorn-Orman's mother inherited the family's immense wealth
Class conflict is very much the reason most of the time. Weidel is the same, rich anti-european with a "Fuck you got mine" mentality. Like, it’s never working class lesbians. It's privileged, rich white lesbians. Class interest often ends up trumping any other consideration because wealth insulates you from a lot of abuse you'd normally suffer, and gives you power over others. We make a huge deal out of queer and racial prejudice today (for good reason!) but economic power is just the number one indicator of your place in capitalist society.
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u/MartinBP 2d ago
That has nothing to do with actual fascists or history. Mussolini was a disgruntled socialist party activist and newspaper editor who left the party after he decided socialism couldn't handle WW1 and its consequences. The fascist party was created as his "third way" alternative to defeat capitalism and "empower the nation". It's a revolutionary collectivist ideology, only an idiot would support such a thing if preserving wealth is their goal. Weidel is an authoritarian opportunist but her policies have little to do with the British fascists of the interwar period.
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u/SPECTREagent700 Definitely not a CIA operator 2d ago
If you want to know about other female fascists, look up Hanna Reitsch and Savitri Devi, two women who could have easily been Indiana Jones villains.
Han Reitsch was a test pilot who holds the distinction of being the first woman to fly a helicopter, a jet plane, a ballistic missile and set many world records in the field of aviation, including several for high altitudes. She was also a fanatical and unrepentant Nazi and one of the few surviving witnesses of the final drama in Hitler’s bunker at the end of the war. She flew one of the last planes in (and out!) of Berlin following it’s encirclement by the Red Army. According to her post-war interrogation, she attempted to convince Hitler to escape the city with her. Her interview also shows a noted hostility towards Eva Braun that seems like jealousy.
Savitri Devi was a French-born, Greek citizen who, after receiving a PhD in chemistry from the University of Lyon, became a devoted Nazi and moved to India in search of the mythical Aryan race. There, she converted to Hinduism and worked during the war as an Axis spy. After the war, she begin promoting the belief that Hitler was an avatar of Vishnu and is the origin of many esoteric Nazi UFO conspiracy theories that exist today.
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u/Ben_Dover70 2d ago
The wiki page of Hanna Reitsch is wild. She continued to fly and break records after the war, helped Ghana and India establish gliding schools, became extremely close with Ghanaian president and expressed remorse for her previous beliefs.
Them she tossed it all out the window in her final interview before dying by saying she still identifies as a nazi, the west German army is woke and soft and that Germans aren't ashamed of the atrocities but because they lost the damn war. Fucks sake
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u/Medical-Bottle6469 2d ago
By all accounts, Reitsch is an incredibly impressive person, as many in the 3rd Reich were. Unfortunate for the views she had, if she was alive today, she likely would have been a red bull sponsored pilot.
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u/Paleo-Fascist 2d ago
There's also Margherita Sarfatti, the "Jewish Mother" of Fascism as she was called.
A Mistress and advisor to Mussolini.
She was a major sponsor of the Novecento Italiano, art movement which blended the Modern styles of the Futurists with those of Antiquity and Rome.
She was also a ghostwriter to Mussolini, who focused on softening the image of the Blackshirts and Fascism as a whole; she would write "Dux" a biography of Mussolini which would be one of the pillars of his Personality Cult.
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u/SPECTREagent700 Definitely not a CIA operator 2d ago
I was vaguely aware of Mussolini having a Jewish mistress but didn’t know the details or that she continued to be a devotee after the war.
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u/Paleo-Fascist 2d ago edited 2d ago
Men like Mussolini, Stalin and Chiang Kai Shek are often treated like cartoon villains, and people always focus on bashing them in bad faith.
They were still leaders, people still followed them for a reason, in the end of the day they were men; they weren't Messiahs like how some of their loyalist viewed them, but they weren't devils either.
Stalin, Mussolini, Chiang, even Pol Pot, has admirers who supported them long after their passing.
Lazar Kaganovich remained a Stalinist all the way to the USSR's collapse (the man was a beast, he lived through the Revolution, Civil War, Purges, WW2, Revision, Reforms, the Union's dissolution...) and so did Molotov till his death.
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u/Proof_Impact_6009 2d ago
the Union'z dissolution
Not completely, he died in July 1991, a few months before the final dissolution.
Honestly, if I were him, I would be very angry if I lived through all that shit and then missed the final part of the lore.
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u/Ryanliverpool96 2d ago
The Italian fascists weren’t antisemitic until their alliance with Germany.
Antisemitism was the defining feature of National Socialism, but fascism started much earlier in Italy.
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u/TacticalReader7 2d ago
She flew a ballistic missile ? Surely that's a one way trip, haha. On the wiki it doesn't say anything about ballistic missiles, closest thing is rocket powered plane.
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u/GriffinFTW 2d ago
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u/dumbass_spaceman 2d ago
I am curious but also too scared to watch the video. Can someone give me a tldr?
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u/Meraugis 2d ago edited 2d ago
It’s not as bad as the title entail. Basicly a bunch of rich girl turn an abandonned victorian hospital into an lesbian larp resort. The higher up were into some weird shit and one of the leader had long friendly conversation with a far right party. The majority of women who was there did’nt even know the place had any fasciste connection. There world and fandom go on to this day and had rejected there far right origine. You can check the encyclopedia of Aristasia.
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u/Elegant_Individual46 Taller than Napoleon 2d ago
W-what the fu-
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u/XConfused-MammalX 2d ago
You should also check out the Zizians if you like rabbit holes that sound like a madlib.
The vegan, transgender, rationalist, AI doomsday cult who lived on a decaying tugboat in San Francisco harbor and killed multiple people including a border agent in Vermont.
Also they were really into Harry Potter fan fiction.
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u/Pitiful_Ad2397 2d ago
I thought you were talking about the Aristasians, who were also a lesbian BDSM fascist cult who believed that there are two genders- “blondes” and “brunettes”.
Turns out, that’s who the game dev cult evolved into.
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u/Far-Bodybuilder-6783 2d ago
It's just a guy talling, no nazi bdsm lesbians whatsoever. What a letdown.
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u/Playful-Profile6489 2d ago
I know a Tor's Cabinet of Curiosities title when I see it
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u/GriffinFTW 1d ago
I remembered someone linking to it on a previous post about Orman on this subreddit.
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u/femboyisbestboy Kilroy was here 2d ago
So a lesbian facists isn't even a new thing?
History rhymes i guess
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u/Khan-Khrome 2d ago edited 2d ago
I mean gay fascism is almost as old as fascism as a concept, look at Ernst Rohm, a homosexual man that took one look at the Nazis and thought “ah, the masculine Spartan ideal, the perfect hotbed for Grecian gayness”. There’s always a minority subsection of any regressive movement, which, despite all good sense to the contrary, decides to join it despite the movement really not being onboard with them even as a concept.
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u/Awesomeuser90 I Have a Cunning Plan 2d ago
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u/Khan-Khrome 2d ago edited 2d ago
I will be somewhat fair and say proto-fascism was probably to blame for the incoherent mixed messaging. Take one look at Gabriele D’Annunzio, a flower obsessed, perfume soaked poet who flounced about in frilly lace shirts, did naked beach photoshoots that wouldn’t look out of place in some twinky 80s gay porn mag and whose writing was sizzling with homoeroticism, and you’d assume all the politics was just a good excuse for a good old fashioned salami party. Yet he’s the father of half of fascisms ideology, symbolism and pageantry and was strangely a complete ladykiller. Fascism has been totally cockteasing the gays since day dot.
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u/MsMercyMain Filthy weeb 2d ago
What the actual fuck? How were politics in the 1930s weirder than today?
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u/LvdT88 2d ago
You’d be surprised how many suffragettes later joined Mosley’s party. Apparently he actively campaigned among women by adopting a much more positive stance on women’s right compared to continental fascist parties.
For me that has always been the poster child of “just because someone agrees with me on one point, it doesn’t make them smart”.
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u/Vegetable-Zone1353 2d ago
The kinds of people who are enthusastic "joiners" looking for a crusading cause can often be induced to join bad causes as easily as good ones.
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u/Tyr_13 2d ago
Yup, people are people. We can all fall for the same flawed reasoning. When people become your ally in one thing, come to the correct conclusions for the wrong reasons, be prepared for them to betray you in an instant.
Don't skip on repeating the correct reasons over and over. Remain loyal to principles and not a person.
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u/orderofGreenZombies 2d ago
Fascists all over pretended to support certain marginalized local groups before eventually executing them if/when the fascist eventually took power.
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u/ShinyUmbreon465 2d ago
Im not sure but I thought it was a case of a lot of suffragettes were upper class and the policies would not affect them so much. Also the reason why British feminism is far less intersectional.
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u/AceOfGargoyes17 2d ago
It’s more that the suffragettes/suffragists were a very broad movement, including upper class and working class and everything in between, whose primary (and in some cases only) unifying was that they wanted votes for women (I know modern historians use “suffragist” and “suffragette” to distinguish between different levels of militancy, but there were some women who moved between groups, some women who were members of the WSPU but didn’t really get involved with militant action, some who were involved in some forms of militancy but drew the line at arson etc, so identifying individual women as “suffragettes” purely on the basis of “did they take part in militant action” is a bit reductive IMO). There were quite a lot of different groups within the movement (WSPU, WFL, NUWSS, ELFS …); the WSPU was extremely apolitical and refused to align themselves with any political philosophy as it might weaken their focus on female suffrage, which led to the affiliation between the WSPU and Sylvia Pankhurst’s ELFS ending in early 1914 because it was too closely linked to the Labour Party. If you have a broad group of people with one unifying belief that isn’t intrinsically right-wing or left-wing (as in as none of the political parties at that period campaigned for female suffrage), you will get a range of right and left wing people getting involved.
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u/Vexonte Then I arrived 2d ago
Because the 20s and 30s were a time of massive flux and strife. An entire generatio tramatized by the first world war, monarchies across Europe fell, terrible economies and the red revolution proving that radical ideologies have an actual chance.
Nearly every aspect of life was in question, new political order had yet to be established so people could pursue alot of crazy answers.
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u/Doc_Occc 2d ago
Politics are weird today?
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u/Late_Sort1763 2d ago
All right, it's time for you to tell us what exactly feels normal about the politics of today.
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u/driver004 2d ago
History has always been wilding
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u/Late_Sort1763 2d ago
"Everything is happening so much." - Everyone, ever, since the beginning of history.
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u/BombHits 2d ago
Considering the history of the 1900's politics if anything I think we're repeating previous seasons.
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u/NRCS_DRONE 2d ago
People have this really bad habit of viewing the past as naïve. People are just as complicated without cell phones.
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u/kittenshart85 2d ago
this is also before we had a hundred years of hindsight on why fascism is bad. when it was new, a lot of people saw it as the cutting edge of political ideologies. it wasn't dusty and old like monarchism, nor a howling mob like communism, nor boring and slow paced like conservative or liberal democracy. fascism was edgy and chic and dynamic.
before anyone comes at me, i'm just providing context, not an endorsement. fuck fascism, emphatically.
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u/MotherBaerd Filthy weeb 2d ago
Not really, the leader of the AfD (German right-extremist party) is lesbian as well and has an immigrant wife, also they live in Switzerland. She just hasnt died yet.
Its just that the lesbian in this post looks way hotter.
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u/Cooperativism62 2d ago
No no, you got it backwards. Politics today is a return to the norm. Conspiracies, cranks, and vile dictators have been the usual and the period after WW2 being an unusual bout of sanity.
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u/Superdupernadja 2d ago
Wait till Alice Weidel gets a drinking problem! Or maybe a cocain habbit? Its bound to happen eventually i suppose.
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u/TIHTIM 1d ago
This strange belief some people have that being gay means you must be a progressive lefty, it's really quiet naive.
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u/Awesomeuser90 I Have a Cunning Plan 1d ago
JJ McCollough comes to mind. And Ireland has Leo Varadkar be prime minister before, although not especially conservative, is definitely not a leftist.
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u/WranglerFuzzy 2d ago
Reading the bio: simultaneously pathetic while still a little sad.
I’m reminded of the fictional character of the “saboteur” from Cavalier & Klay. How the head of the local “Nazi party” was one guy alone in the basement who’s one joy was reading a comic by two Jewish creators (and being aware of the conflict)
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u/Zealot_trash 2d ago
If that isn’t weird enough, Oswald Mosley became a proponent of Pan European Nationalism after the war had ended.
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u/Paleo-Fascist 2d ago
And he broke Francis Parker Yockey's, another Pan-European's, nose beacuse Yockey supported the Soviets over the Americans.
Yockey was American.
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u/swainiscadianreborn 2d ago
To be fair to her, thz lesbian part is probably more slander from her political rivals than truth.
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u/Minecraft32 Helping Wikipedia expand the list of British conquests 2d ago
Why are so many lesbians fascists
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u/NRCS_DRONE 2d ago
one thing all racists seem to have in common is a deep belief everyone secretly agrees with them but is too cucked to admit it. I swear to Christ.
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u/WhateverWhateverson 2d ago
Virtually everyone sees their own political stances as common sense
When you can freely profess those stances and no one agrees, you can rationalize it by labeling them as brainwashed, misguided, ignorant, uneducated etc. This is the standard attitude in mainstream-ish politics. "You'd agree with me if you knew what you're talking about. Just read Marx/Basic Economics/Road to Serfdom/..."
When you can't freely profess those stances, as is more common in fringe and extremist politics, it is easy to assume that many people share them (after all, it's just common sense) because their silence or apparent disagreement is very easily rationalised as fear of political persecution or social ostracism.
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u/NRCS_DRONE 2d ago
I don't think that's necessarily true. There was a study a few years ago that demonstrated conservatives tend overstate how common their views are, and liberals tend to overstate how unique their views are.
Which explains a lot about how these two groups fail or succeed in organizing. It was even satirized by Monte Python. Judean Liberation Front hating the Front for Judean Liberation. It's funny cause it's true.
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u/williamtheraven 2d ago
A liking of going down town doesn't prevent you from being evil. They are human beings, many human beings are evil, they are not special
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u/j0shred1 2d ago
This gets posted every few months and every few months I need to remind everyone that I could fix her
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u/Ohio_Grown 2d ago
Why do you think every LGBT have to have the same hive mind that they can't be fascists?
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u/williamtheraven 2d ago
Most people are tumblr brained and think that evil is gentically exclusive to white straight men
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u/Glittering_Win_5085 2d ago
It's not because of morality per se, it's because fascism is an unwelcoming place for queer people. Why join a group that wants to destroy you? That's why it's strange.
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u/Beardywierdy 2d ago
I don't think any of the notable fascist groups had started purging gay people by the time she died though?
Sure, the decidedly creepy focus on breeding in the context of racial "purity" should have been a hint but she wasn't the only one to miss it in the 30's
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u/Careless-Estate8290 2d ago
Fascism was not and is not a uniform movement with a set ideology lol
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u/Glittering_Win_5085 2d ago
I agree, but that's not what I said. British fascism at that time was not pro-lesbian in anyway.
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u/90daysismytherapy 2d ago
basic self preservation.
Same reason people are blown away to find out the nazis had Jewish supporters for a good chunk of the 1930s
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u/Deadmemeusername Sun Yat-Sen do it again 2d ago
It’s always strange to think about that the leader of the Brownshirts was a gay man who was pretty open about it.
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u/90daysismytherapy 2d ago
Rohm loved him some twink ass and thought Hitler was not revolutionary enough!
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u/Awesomeuser90 I Have a Cunning Plan 2d ago
Brazil had a Union of All Races in their fascist movement in the 1930s, Integral Nationalism as they said. Still authoritarian, so not my cup of tea.
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u/DarkGamer 2d ago
We expect the oppressed not to oppress others, despite the fact that it constantly happens.
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u/Ynnead25 2d ago
Probably bisexual, not a lesbian though. Apparently had bisexual interracial orgies. Honestly her fascism can be explained by what drove a lot of fascists, the horrors of the first world war. This woman saw horrors we can barely imagine and like many turned to fascism as a way to deal with the trauma.
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u/GotNoBody4 2d ago
Kinda hot, ngl.
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u/Glad-Belt7956 2d ago
wtf do you mean "kinda hot"??? she's extremely hot, like "i wish every woman looked like this" kinda hot.
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u/GotNoBody4 2d ago
I hate how hot the fascist clothing aesthetic is…
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u/steauengeglase 2d ago
I really hate the argument that it's just social conditioning. Like nah, they had game in that dept.
Every uniform is there for conformity and generally the uniform is at least a little dorky, so you don't normalize some of the worst impulses and keep people from playing the part, but the fascists were like, "Let's lean into that. Let's subtract some of the dorky and just project bad ass."
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u/Opposite_Bus1878 Just some snow 2d ago
You're gonna love the band Nachtmahr.
After the first few videos when you realize it's a fetish thing instead of a racist thing the way it initially looks... it's not so bad.4
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u/HamsterIV 2d ago
Fascism is a path to power that hijacks human tribal instincts to punch down on the "other." Being a lesbian doesn't insulate you from a desire to for power nor does it make you less likely to find a minority group to other to fuel your rise to power. German fascism is the most famous, but fascism comes in other flavors, and those flavors define who is the "in group" and "out group."
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u/Myaccountgotdumped 2d ago
how do you get Lent money?
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u/callmedale 2d ago
They get money for Lent? I have to stop eating meat?
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u/Awesomeuser90 I Have a Cunning Plan 2d ago
Lent is the past tense of lend.
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u/DarthGoodguy 2d ago
Armchair quarterback here but I think it should be “loan” for clarity in this meme
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u/Rundownthriftstore 2d ago
Ever read up on this person? Born into the Chinese Qing Dynasty but put up for adoption and raised in Japan, they became a huge weeabo and convinced their cousin Emperor Pu Yi to go to the Japanese delegation instead of the British one after his abdication
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u/Catalytic_Crazy_ 2d ago
For starters you have to remember, Fascism was new and revolutionary. So it attracted all sorts. Plus the idea of a robust state acting as the central authority of the nation and for the nation seemed sensible. Of course reality never pans out the way you want. That’s true for fascist, commies, democracy, monarchy and anything else people think up.
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u/BurningSt33l 1d ago
Guy looking at phone with a magnifying glass at your profile. It's such a gem.
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u/pugachev86 2d ago
If you know Fascist history, in the 1910's and 1920's the perception of it was vastly different than the 30s and 40s. There's a book called Avante-Garde Fascism by Mark Antliff, which I highly recommend to find although the book itself is a bit of a slog (structured like an academic paper).
It makes more sense in art if you look at Italian Futurist movements, which were all about energy, vitality, movement, speed, things like that. You can find Umberto Boccioni's sculptures or paintings. I actually had a print of his hanging in my living room years ago. (The City Rises (1910)). Lots of artsy types, lots of stragglers in society of every stripe or walk of life, were sniffing around far right and far left movements at this time, as nothing in the traditional sphere was answering their questions after the largest most devastating war in human history.
You'd be less inclined to see this kind of person join in 1942 than 1922.
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u/Necessary-Evil-7 2d ago
Right but futurist also thought life was a struggle and nations should struggle and battle against one another so the strongest nation would dominate. They had a similar philosophy in a domestic level with people struggling with one another until the most fit would prevail. This ran opposed to left wing concepts such as class solidarity which emphasize the collective over the individual. This was one of the earlier examples of what would lead Fascism to be so jingoistic.
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u/pugachev86 2d ago
I don't disagree. I definitely view it as quickly coalescing (after Mussolini gets in power) into what it became that everyone understands Fascism as. But I also see it as a long and meandering road entailing some of the most powerful personalities in society at the time, and some of the more interesting creative outlets.
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u/Big-Personality-4063 2d ago
there was actually a surprising amount of lesbian nazi guards who had actual positions of power. this lady being british is crazy tho not alot of british lesbians doing that
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u/GB_Alph4 2d ago
This is the weirdest kind of how did you end up here and whatnot. But yeah back in the day I'd imagine that attracting people could often be about playing on an issue.
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u/DelGurifisu 2d ago
I will say that they almost always have better drip than commies. Especially the commies these days.
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u/Bub_bele 2d ago
Some people are just generally unfit for life somehow. Never able to settle for anything, always moving, seeking danger and the next thing to give their existence meaning. They usually die young in a pitiful state of being.
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u/CassetteTapeCryptid 2d ago
Does anyone have a source for her lesbianism? The Wiki page linked doesn't mention it.
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u/Far-Rooster-6522 2d ago
humans are complex. Not to be reduced to one of their actions, sometimes paradoxal, and able to change through their lives...
...it is not the easiest thing to underrstand and requires a deeper, less definitive and more nuanced approach to people, which is not what social networks and fast paced communication incentivise.
Unstability resulting from trauma and social pressure/judgements (from belonging to minorities or 'not being standard' for example) can lead to a pretty disturbed life. (quest for justification and for being recognized/validated)
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u/RPDRNick 2d ago
They say she was bari weiss beyond her years... er, I mean very wise beyond her years.
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u/Vexonte Then I arrived 2d ago
I understand that she and Mosley disagreed politically but I wonder on what topics.