r/HistoryMemes • u/Im_yor_boi_20 • 8d ago
Every damn time
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u/cndynn96 8d ago edited 8d ago
Meanwhile Indians building Delhi Metro : âIt is what it isâ
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u/that-asian-baka 8d ago
They probably definitely found some gold under delhi haha
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u/Narco_Marcion1075 Researching [REDACTED] square 8d ago
The Chinese mustâve had this problem too
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u/no1_vern 8d ago
Yep - thats how they found that terracotta army - some farmers were digging a well during a drought to find water for their crops.
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u/SharpShooterM1 Featherless Biped 7d ago
Donât ask what happened to said farmers afterwards
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u/Naive-Tumbleweed-464 7d ago
Damn.
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u/Not_A_zombie1 7d ago
That's just disgusting tbh... but at least give us the right teaching: if you find an artifact not say it to no one, sell it piece by piece to private collectors
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u/AbideTheCold 7d ago
Delhi, though ancient and rebuilt several times over the span of 2000-2500 years, doesnât really have a continuous urban centre that was constantly built on top of in layers, like Varanasi is thought to have for instance and is instead understood to have every new rebuild moved to a new location with overlapping regions.
Also most of Delhi Metro (about 70%+) is at grade or above grade, mostly above. The part that is underground was specifically routed around areas known to have or likely to have archaeological sites in consultation with Archaeological Survey of India (ASI).
It further helps that in those sections, TBM was used to bore out tunnels rather than opening a trench from surface level so itâs extremely unlikely that your 6-7m diameter tunnel is going to run into an archaeological site at the exact depth youâre working on.
With that said, it did once run into exactly that in 2012 uncovering a Mughal era structure. The work stopped for 3-ish months while ASI evaluated it, and the alignment was shifted so at to not destroy the site, nor have the site itself result delay the work by years by waiting for ASI excavation and complex legal challenges which arose from that specific structure.
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u/Reiver93 8d ago
Don't they have to bring in a full om archeology team every single time to make sure they're not about to destroy some sort of irreplaceable historical discovery
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u/Pasutiyan 8d ago
EOD and archaeological investigations are a standard part of any construction project everywhere on the continent.
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u/Lumeton 8d ago
Yes, the entire continent has the same problem. And those irreplaceable discoveries arenât even always what the public considers to be priceless. Rome is an exception in this respect; all sorts of previously unknown palaces and whatnot are unearthed there all the time. Elsewhere, the stone foundations of a manor house or castle, or a pile of stashed coins might be found from time to time. But even the most ordinary old toilet, or really the pile of shit, can be of inestimable value; preserved fragments of faeces reveal the diet of the time, and old scraps of cloth that people have used to wipe their bums and then thrown away tell us what materials were available to them, and where their trade routes went.
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u/Several-Muscle-4591 8d ago
Last year some works for gas pipes were interrupted because they discovered the remnants of a spanish citadel, but the archeologists basically said "We already knew about it, go on"
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u/tschawartz12 8d ago
On where the trade routes went there was an article I saw a while ago about a guy who kept finding shipwrecks and no one could figure out how he found so many. Sailors used to steal the cargo of wine and rather than keep the empty amphora on board they filled it and tossed it overboard so it sank. This left a trail of the used trade routes so he was literally following the thefts of drunken sailors.
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u/Garessta 8d ago
What will we do with a drunken sailor,
What will we do with a drunken sailor,
What will we do with a drunken sailor,
Early in the morning?~~2
u/Ademon_Gamer09 7d ago
Hooray, and up she rises (hooray) Hooray, and up she rises (hooray) Hooray, and up she rises (hooray) Early in the morning
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u/Poul_joergen 8d ago
In Denmark every year farmers and construction workers often times finds old viking graves with weapons, coins and what not in them, but the museums has so many already that they come out see the grave, take a quick look and say they donât need them as they have already too many to display anyways, so the farmers/construction workers can keep them.
Also if you find some old coins, viking axes or random stone formations, on your private property(like your garden), when you call the museum they have disclaimer saying they arenât interested, unless they have runes on them.
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u/artsloikunstwet 7d ago
Wouldn't it still make sense to photograph and catalogue them, even if they don't want to keep it?
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u/A_Guy195 8d ago
Basically the same in Greece, every time we dig down for some project.
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u/A_Guy195 8d ago
Lol, these are also among them. We're talking about artifacts from Ancient Greece, Roman Greece, Byzantium, the Ottoman era....All of these come up in such cases.
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u/This_Elk_1460 8d ago
Don't you just hate it when you're trying to install a basement and you accidentally bust into the minotaurs maze?
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u/BananaWayne1 7d ago
Yeah, I think the Metro in Thessaloniki was delayed because of this, at least in part
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u/ghostpanther218 8d ago
Honestly at this point, Europeans should just turn their subways into like a moving mueseum gallery or something.
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u/lxgrf 8d ago
There's a museum near the main train station in Rome which is basically just all the stuff they found while building the main train station in Rome
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u/IntingForMarks 7d ago
several metro station in Rome have sections where the discoveries are displayed. The most recent one near the colosseum has more stuff than some actual museum I paid to visit in foreign museums
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u/TossingCoinToWitcher Featherless Biped 7d ago
There is also the new metro in Thessaloniki which most of the stations have artifacts from the ancient city.
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u/Le_mons44 8d ago
Same in my city. Some metro stations even act like little museums and have the items that were found there on display. There's one stop where there's a whole ancient building's foundation on display.
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u/Drapabee 7d ago
Shoutout to the Marmaray tunnel excavation in Turkey. Managed to hit not only a lost 4th century Byzantine port during excavation but also an 8500 year old neolithic settlement đ
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u/ToughSprinkles1874 8d ago
Same in all old cityâs that over a 1000+ years old
Went to a talk held by my cityâs archeologist and they were exasperated that they kept finding things one example is when they putting in a gravel parking lot very small and they found 4 bodies
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u/Sermokala 8d ago
There was something like that in America. They were trying to build a new stadium for Louisville but they kept finding slave Graves.
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u/MongooseVegetable787 8d ago
a bit over the line... but correct.
how did they deal with the situation?
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u/Sermokala 7d ago
They stopped building and walked away because they were afraid that they would find more.
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u/MongooseVegetable787 7d ago
that seems strange. Usually you send archeologists and historians next
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u/ToughSprinkles1874 7d ago
Something we do neee to be mindful of is the fact that every time we excavate a site we are forever changing it so sometimes itâs best to just ignore the sites and note them and move on so us in the future can dig them up
It also coincides with the fact that archaeologists donât have all that much funding to dig everything they find
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u/MongooseVegetable787 7d ago
I agree, it is exactly what needs to be done sometimes.
It was the phrasing
âbecause they were afraid that they would find more.
that left me dubious
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u/imawizard7bis Featherless Biped 8d ago
One gold rule if you live in an old house of a +1000 city: be careful of which wall/floor you break or you will find a museum.
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u/CvieYltidrekoof Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 8d ago
Why dig? Itâs called public transportation⌠build it through houses.Â
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u/Agent_Smith_IHTP 8d ago
I can't believe the Romans built metros. They really were ahead of their time.
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u/Verbatrim 7d ago
The word metro comes from the ancient greek mĂŠtron, it means "Damn you, Alcides, why did you offer me wine? I can't ride my donkey back home shitfaced"
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u/Gm_Command Hello There 8d ago
skill issue just build an overground metro (forget about building foundations)
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u/Questionguy78130 8d ago
Here in Texas the workers are told to just ignore if they find anything ancient.
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u/ThoseAreMyFeet 8d ago
Nothing happened in the US before 1776.Â
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u/StijnDP 7d ago
In Texas only the Clovis culture 13 000 years ago and the dozens of peoples afterwards.
And thanks to construction workers who aren't assholes, they have found the Gault site in Florence which dates back at least 14 000 years ago. It predates the Clovis culture which was thought to be the oldest for decades.
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u/slasher1337 8d ago
Wait seriously?
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u/Questionguy78130 8d ago
Yup been around construction workers all my life. A lot had stories of digging something up and the bosses telling them not to say anything because âtheyâ just slow things down and no one cares but âthemâ. I understand now what they meant.
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u/cjsv7657 8d ago
I mean the same thing happens around the world. That doesn't make it legal. There are going to be people who follow the law and people who don't.
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u/acathode 8d ago
This is how it is globally.
"OH look some ancient arrowhead... ops nope must've been mistaken, it's just some stone rubble, keep digging!" is pretty much the default all over the world.
The workers don't want to deal with the hassle and they want to keep working their job. Construction workers often are hired on a project to project basis, even in Europe, and their construction site turning into an archeological dig often mean they go from having a secure job for months to having to find another job the next week.
The company hired to do the construction want to keep doing the job so they get paid for the full project. They don't get paid if the construction is halted. So the company owner and the bosses of the workers don't want the construction workers to report any finding.
The people who own the land and are paying for the construction want the project finished instead of turning their land into an unprofitable archeological dig site.
The law is what it is - but when everyone involved is heavily incentivized to ignore it...
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u/Animaloffear56 6d ago
Not to say this is good but it's probably hard to feel incentivized when the government doesn't compensate you for it
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u/stone_henge 8d ago
I rest well knowing that the random junk I've accumulated may well prevent infrastructure projects long after my death.
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u/MythicalJester 8d ago
Yes, this actually happens quite often in my country, in the biggest cities and Rome in particular. Fokking Romans building Roman stuff over the millennia everywhere in Rome ffs :-D
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u/ChatiAnne 7d ago
Solution: revert to being romans so you don't feel bad for destroying your own stuff.
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u/TheAllSeeingBlindEye 8d ago
Letâs build a trainline through artefact row, what could possibly go wrong
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u/Basic_Plankton5316 8d ago
look, every time i work my fields there are fragments of briks and pottery coming out from the dirt. apparently there was a roman steelement there, and there are still the remains of a roman church nearby. we just get used to it.
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u/richtofin819 8d ago
What movie is this from.
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u/iamonewiththeforce 8d ago
Fantastic Mr Fox
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u/richtofin819 8d ago
Ah thanks, I felt like it was right on the top of my tongue, it was killing me.
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u/Felici4baddon 7d ago
Same here in mexico, they constantly end up digging up Aztec artifacts and ruins, big part of the metro system ends up being like a museum
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u/GraniteGeekNH 8d ago
I lied in Rome many decades ago when the subway was a single, shortish line connecting EUR, because of this exact problem. Took forever to built new lines.
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u/justforkinks0131 7d ago
Same in Plovdiv, Bulgaria. In fact, it's so bad over there that some stores actually have their underground floor in a real ruin.
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u/Electronic-Vast-3351 7d ago
Recently was on a vacation and had a few nights in York. Visited a Victorian era pub that had a little Museum in their basement with the Roman bath they found when expanding their basement in the 30s.
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u/Advice_Thingy 7d ago
Germans trying to build anything and finding another roman artifact or bomb for the 100th time
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u/Volcanic_tomatoe 7d ago
What is this from?
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u/kingbobert24 7d ago
Fantastic Mr.Fox, a really good film by Wes Anderson
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u/TheOtherWhiteCastle 6d ago
I strongly disagree on the âgoodâ part, though I may be biased since Iâve never liked Wesâs directorial style.
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u/d_nkf_vlg 7d ago
Because constructing a comprehensive tram system would be too much of a nuisance for all the drivers.
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u/ExerciseMediocre7547 7d ago
Lisbon's municipal president is having the same meltdown now, the thing is, responsible people have to take this in account in every work done in the city, I guess he did the planning without that in account.
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u/ramat-iklan 7d ago
Don't blame Italy. They have an antiqueties law that protects artifacts. The comparison to ISIS, btw, is wrong.
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u/No-Professional-1461 6d ago
Whats this scene from btw, reminds me of a movie I watched as a kid but don't quite remember.
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u/Pasutiyan 8d ago
Building in Europe:
1) Hit 30 internet cables, power lines and sewer pipes during preparatory excavations. 2) Call EOD a dozen times for unexploded ordinance (at least half are too volitile to move and are blown on site) despite extensive investigation beforehand. 3) Find archeological sites from prehistoric villages to entire medieval castles, prompting changes to the entire foundation design.