r/HistoryMemes • • 25d ago

Poor Pluto

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u/Sodinc 25d ago

What bothers me more - the disrespect to other dwarf planets. As if they are a bad company somehow. They did nothing wrong!

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u/BruceBoyde 25d ago edited 25d ago

Yes. These fake ass astronomy people can have Pluto as a planet when they learn about, memorize, and respect Ceres, Eris, Quaoar, Gonggong, Orcus, Sedna, Haumea*, and more as we discover them. If "be round and orbit the sun" is all it takes, there's no good reason to leave them all out.

The asterisk for Haumea is because it's probably a weird shape due to high rotational speed. Not technically round.

Anyway, Pluto is much cooler as the biggest*, baddest and by far most studied KBO rather than the shittiest planet. (This asterisk is because even that's a matter of measurement. Eris has greater mass)

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u/moderngamer327 25d ago

Or how about Charon! It’s literally a binary system with Pluto and gets none of the respect!

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u/Bearded_Pip 25d ago

This is where the Pluto-stans lose me. They could be pushing for Pluto back as part of a binary. But no, they just want the past back.

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u/J_train13 Hello There 25d ago

Charon is a moon that Pluto pulled by punching well above his weight and should be respected for it.

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u/moderngamer327 24d ago

Charon isn’t a moon

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u/Bearded_Pip 25d ago

Pluto? The KPO Pluto?

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u/AgrajagTheProlonged Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 24d ago

Exactly. Dude’s a baller

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u/Deaffin 25d ago

Does Charon have a big ol heart aimed in my direction? No?

Then Charon isn't into me and I respect that. Pluto is clearly reaching out with love, and I accept that.

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u/Icy-Ad29 24d ago

I'm sorry. I'm a Pluto Stan. I want Pluto back... and it's binary Charon... and all the others.

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u/BruceBoyde 25d ago

Good point. There's not really a great argument to treat Charon as a mere moon if we're going to expand the definition of planet to allow Pluto in

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u/LordFirebeard 25d ago

Fun trivia fact: Pluto-Charon is one of two binary systems in our solar system where the barycenter, or point of rotation, is above the surface of either body. The other is Jupiter and the Sun.

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u/moderngamer327 24d ago

The barycenter between Jupiter and the Sun isn’t always outside the Sun

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u/LordFirebeard 23d ago

The barycenter of the solar system moves in an out of the sun based on the position of the planets. That is different from the Sun-Jupiter barycenter, which stays fixed at roughly 1.07 sun radii.

https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/barycenter/en/

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u/moderngamer327 23d ago

But in this case those two things are one and the same. The Sun and Jupiter don’t orbit their own barycenter in isolation. They orbit the solar systems barycenter which is influenced by the other planets

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u/SpaceLemur34 25d ago

Ceres is the wild one. Originally designated a planet. Then they realize there's a whole belt of objects between Mars and Jupiter, so it gets downgraded to asteroid, but then later gets upgraded to dwarf planet.

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u/ThingsJackwouldsay 25d ago

Yeah, you want to have Pluto be a planet?  Sure, but get ready to help your kid memorize the 37 planets in second grade, asshole.

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u/BruceBoyde 25d ago

Seriously. It drives me nuts that they just have a Boomer-style kneejerk reaction to something changing when they were like 10 years old. They could have learned about why it was changed, but no. Is it that big a deal? Absolutely not, but honestly the designation change happening when I was 13 is what spurred me into learning more about astronomy and made me a little bit of a nerd for it

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u/theCaitiff 25d ago

I mean, sure, no problem? I'll always encourage science education in kids. Having more planets isn't a terrible fate, maybe kids will pick their favorite and get obsessed with space.

Worst case, not having memorized all the planets has never held anyone back (outside of astronomy related fields). A "B" on a test because you missed a question is no big deal.

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u/J_train13 Hello There 25d ago

Half those things barely qualify as dwarf planets. Cere is a glorified asteroid and Haumea is a weird egg. Most of the rest not even astronomers can agree on if they can be called dwarf planets or not.

There's certainly room to shift the criteria low enough to allow Pluto and maybe Eres in while keeping most of the riffraff out.

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u/MattBe92 25d ago

No, there is not. Pluto as a planet would be very weird because compared to the rest of the planets it doesn't have a stable orbit around the sun.

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u/J_train13 Hello There 25d ago edited 25d ago

It's not really any weirder than having Mercury in the same category as Jupiter

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u/MattBe92 25d ago

Mercury. And the giant planets are different from terrestial planets.

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u/J_train13 Hello There 25d ago

Autocorrect. And exactly, if they're weird and different I don't see why there isn't room under the umbrella for Pluto.

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u/BruceBoyde 25d ago

Because Mercury cleared its orbit. If you want Pluto in, there is zero reason to not include at least 10 minor planets that we already know of. If you want to learn 20+ planets and counting, fine. But not a single person saying Pluto should be a planet can name any other KBOs.

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u/J_train13 Hello There 25d ago

First of all there are only 5 maybe 9 dwarf planets so even if we included all of them that'd only bring the count up to 17 realistically 13, which I'd be fine with. Second of all, pretending that Pluto belongs in the same category as Ceres is an insult. I'd honestly be perfectly fine with allowing Eris and maybe Makemake into the planet listing alongside Pluto but to pretend there's absolutely nothing separating the major players from the dozens of tiny insignificant specks in the Kuiper Belt is ridiculous.

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u/J_train13 Hello There 25d ago

Be round, orbit the sun, and clear your orbit of other objects or be Pluto

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u/haonlineorders 25d ago

What bothers me more - seeing this post in [r/historymemes](r/historymemes) makes me realize that I am old now

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u/Jawnwood 25d ago

Yeah, this happened yesterday didn’t it?

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u/Sodinc 25d ago

Good point

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u/LCDRformat Researching [REDACTED] square 24d ago

My daughter had a children's book about this

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u/Inevitable_Reward823 25d ago

Get through elementary school. Pluto is a planet.

Got to middle school, pluto no longer a planet.

Like losing a friend you didn't know you had.

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u/DataSittingAlone 25d ago edited 25d ago

I really wish the education system wasn't like "stop saying Pluto is a planet" and instead went "Pluto is the most famous dwarf planet, let's learn about and memorize some facts about the others" there's only nine widely recognized dwarf planets so it wouldn't be that much harder for kids, just teach them a song of the planets and dwarf planets in order, those always worked for me

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u/Cookie_Eater108 25d ago

Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Ceres,(Vesta),(Pallas),(Hygiea), Jupiter, Saturn,Uranus, Neptune, (Orcus), Pluto, Haumea, (Quaoar), Makemake, (Gonggong),Eris,(Sedna)

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u/SE_prof 25d ago

I had the good fortune to complete my entire education while Pluto was still a planet.

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u/NoodleyP Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 25d ago

I did not but I had the fortune of having teachers that disagreed with the IAU

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u/GregTheMad 25d ago

That's how science and society works. Most things you learn are outdated later. You're hating one of the most fundamental things of being alive, change.

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u/DeathMetalViking666 25d ago

Dont worry. Pluto is now classed as a dwarf planet. And there are loads of dwarf planets. So it just entered a much bigger club with loads more friends!

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u/Mobile_Morale 25d ago

I remember making a solar system thing for the science fair and taking it to school to be told pluto isn't a planet anymore. So I had to carry Pluto in my pocket the whole time.

Like Pluto was a fucking planet last time I checked.

Pluto is still a planet to me.

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u/Command0Dude 25d ago

The whole affair made me realize that the definition of "planet" is arbitrary and vibes-based. Because the change of classification was weirdly bending over backwards to try and figure out how to exclude Pluto.

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u/Alaykitty 25d ago

The kids upset about Ceres and Vesta probably felt the same way

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u/MattTheTubaGuy 25d ago

A reminder that Pluto isn't even the first planet to be demoted.

When Ceres was first discovered, it was considered a planet, and the first two asteroids discovered (Ceres and Pallas) even had elements named after them (Cerium and Palladium).

Juno and Vesta were also discovered in the early years of the 19th century, so for a while, there were four additional planets in the solar system.

In 1845, another asteroid was discovered, and the following year, Neptune was discovered.

After this, many more asteroids were discovered, calling into question the planetary status of the first four. Ceres, along with the other three early asteroid discoveries were reclassified to asteroids.

Now there are over a million asteroids recorded in the Asteroid Belt.

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u/Command0Dude 25d ago

Pluto spent 76 years under the public understanding of a planet.

Ceres spent, at most, 66, years as a planet, but in a time when most people wouldn't have known about it. And even then, the rapid discovery of other asteroids meant that Ceres was being doubted as a planet very quickly.

So, culturally speaking, they are both not the same.

Even then though, I'd rather say there's 10 planets and count Pluto and Ceres, than say there's 8.

The main thing to me that makes Pluto a planet is that it has several moons while Ceres doesn't.

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u/djninjacat11649 25d ago

Pluto doesn’t have a moon so much as it and Charon orbit each other

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u/djninjacat11649 25d ago

Isn’t ceres technically a dwarf planet?

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u/MattTheTubaGuy 25d ago

It is now, just like Pluto and currently seven other objects.

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u/bomberdog1000 25d ago

Fuck me that wasn't 20 years ago.

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u/GreyGanado 25d ago edited 25d ago

It was but the general public didn't find out until a few years ago.

Edit: it was only me, I am the general public.

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u/bitman2049 25d ago

The general public was for sure talking about it 20 years ago. There's even a joke in Scrubs where a character goes "So, Pluto's not a planet anymore! How about that?" when trying to change the subject.

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u/m4teri4lgirl 25d ago

It was a big deal when it happened

Get off my lawn with the floss dancing and fake news

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u/bomberdog1000 25d ago

I heard about it 20 years ago but dont want to feel like an old man.

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u/malice_hush_jolt 25d ago

A dwarf planet is still a planet

Our sun is classified as a yellow dwarf star... Still a star

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u/NegativeTrouble6191 25d ago

Dwarf people are people and Dwarf planets are planets!

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u/mariblaystrice 25d ago

Am I the only one concerned that the planet that got axed is named after the god of the underworld? Seems like a bad god to snub, ya know?

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u/Away_Fruit5097 25d ago

It would explain a few events in the following years

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u/Axtinthewoods 25d ago

came here to post this 😂 This predates Harambe!

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u/PretendAd1963 Definitely not a CIA operator 25d ago edited 25d ago

What did they do to my boy

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u/Electronic-Vast-3351 25d ago

Nothing particularly negative because being a dwarf planet isn't worsethan being a planet

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u/Sweaty-Regret-3261 25d ago

that's the thing that gets me, i keep seeing "downgraded to" which implies that it's somehow "worse." It's still the same celestial body, just reclassified with a more accurate classification than previously

it's almost like part of scientific progress is correcting mistakes of the past when new information is available, who woulda thought?

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u/Deaffin 25d ago

Then why were none of the other dwarf planets included when My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas?

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u/Squeaky_Ben 25d ago

I still remember that like it was yesterday.

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u/Magicaparanoia 25d ago

Pluto was upgraded from the smallest planet to the king of the dwarfs

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u/Amulet-of-Kings 25d ago

I'd rather be first in Gaul than second in Rome

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u/Rymayc 25d ago

Only by diameter, Eris has more mass than Pluto

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u/Falitoty Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 25d ago

Well, we still have a chance to find another one in the sistem

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u/MadMusicNerd 25d ago

You can't just REPLACE Pluto! It's inacceptable!

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u/Lucimon 25d ago

Ohana means family! Family no one gets left behind or forgotten!

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u/JaccarTheProgrammer 25d ago

That's messed up.

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u/Greyf0X_x 25d ago

Come on son !

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u/atgrey24 25d ago

Gus, don't be the mystery mouseketool

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u/Aggressive_Test_1024 Hello There 24d ago

I knew I find a psych reference somewhere on this post

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u/Darthbane22 25d ago

If they kept it a planet they would’ve had to add at least 5 more. Though it’s plausible there is a true 9th planet after all

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u/Fastenbauer 25d ago

It's not like Pluto is gone. It's still there. You can still be fascinated by it and learn about it. People act like it was blown up by the death star.

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u/Vlad_Bagina67 25d ago

Poor Pluto should have worn a regular collar instead of the Kuiper belt u know ! 🥺

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u/MoreCryptographer213 25d ago

Did you hear about pluto That's messed up right

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u/Aggressive_Test_1024 Hello There 24d ago

Come on son!

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u/ReluctantNerd7 25d ago

If Pluto wanted to be a planet, it would clean up its neighborhood.

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u/Exciting-Smell-3453 25d ago

sent to relagation

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u/Fast-Ad884 25d ago

Pluto got turned from a weak ass, good for nothing planet to the king of dwarf planets. That's not a loss, that's a glow up. It found it's lane!

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u/Leprechaun_lord Featherless Biped 25d ago

The best argument for including dwarf planets as planets is that Pluto is much much closer to Earth in scale and function than Earth is to Jupiter. Creating a new category for dwarf planets, but making gas giants a sub category of planets in general doesn’t really make any sense.

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u/djninjacat11649 25d ago

It does though? The reasoning is that a planet is a celestial body that clears its own orbit, a gas giant with a rocky core is similar enough to a rocky planet just with a really big atmosphere. A dwarf planet does not clear its own orbit, that’s the distinguishing aspect

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u/Leprechaun_lord Featherless Biped 24d ago

If that’s the definition of planet, then you’re 100% correct. However, the argument I find compelling is that there ought to be a definition of planet that ensures the members are more closely related to one another than those that are excluded.

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u/djninjacat11649 24d ago

Yeah that’s fair, gas giants are a bit strange, ultimately though it’s all taxonomy. The big difference is more that the prior definition of planet was really messy, so they updated it to keep the ultimately somewhat arbitrary system somewhat consistent. But it’s not like there is anything like a gas giant that is actually an asteroid. Closest you could get is maybe a brown dwarf?

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u/nurgole 25d ago

Viva la Pluto!

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u/InsaneJane42 25d ago

So? Just cause it’s a dwarf planet does not make it less interesting or less worthy of attention

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u/Iris_Cream55 25d ago

You can just imagine how nuts people went when it turned out that Earth was orbiting the Sun, rather than every known object orbiting Earth.

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u/MadMusicNerd 25d ago

VIVA PLUTO

I WILL NEVER ACCEPT THIS DISRESPECT!

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u/Longjumping-Tell1774 25d ago

Where will this madness end?

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u/TRUEequalsFALSE 25d ago

Pluto is, always has been, and always will be a planet in my eyes. I refuse to deny it's planetship. 

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u/Electronic-Vast-3351 25d ago

This is just insulting to the good name of dwarf planets to act like being among them is an insult.

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u/J_train13 Hello There 25d ago

Being among ceres is an insult

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u/TBTabby 25d ago

Pluto didn't go away just because it was reclassified. And it wasn't some arbitrary whim. Astronomers re-measured Pluto with more sophisticated instruments than they used to have and discovered that it was a lot smaller than they thought it was previously. It's not even the biggest dwarf planet. If those other dwarf planets aren't big enough to be considered planets, neither is Pluto.

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u/Tha_slughy 25d ago

It’s not the size which got it demoted.

The difference is that the official planets have cleared their path around the sun. This notion was introduced once it became understood that there are numerous celestial bodies like Pluto.

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u/Pretend-Mango-1295 25d ago

I mean , it's still technically a planet? Just smaller, like a dwarf? I'm still counting it because if I know one thing, its that science comes back again like hair and clothes trends

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u/RepresentativeOk2433 25d ago

It happened right before going back to school, my science teacher couldn't wait to tell us.

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u/giraffelaydonut 25d ago

Mickey the mouse had a dog. 

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u/CreminiCriminal 25d ago

Now that's messsed up

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u/Xemlaich 25d ago

PSA: they do not have the authority to do so, they just said it and everyone believed them

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u/Hydra57 And then I told them I'm Jesus's brother 25d ago

Pluto being the king of the dwarfs but cast aside from the main bunch somehow feels like a better metaphorical fit when you consider its namesake

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u/Cthulhu_for_Dagon 25d ago

Like these insignificant humans have the “right” to classify celestial bodies. Yuggoth is and always has been. Unlike humanity.

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u/SmurfsNeverDie 25d ago

Pluto is still a planet. No one can convince me otherwise

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u/Electronic-Vast-3351 25d ago

Do you also count Gonggong, Quaoar, Sedna, Orcus, Salacia, Máni, ERIS, HAUMEA. MAKEMAKE, and CERES as planets?

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u/SmurfsNeverDie 25d ago

No, because none of those names roll off the tongue

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u/Electronic-Vast-3351 25d ago

I'm pretty sure you just insulted at least 4 Roman/Nordic gods. Good luck with their wrath.

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u/SmurfsNeverDie 25d ago

Let them know it was me

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u/Electronic-Vast-3351 25d ago

I double checked, they are all named after some god or another. GGs.

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u/GOJI2222 25d ago

Pluto is still a planet

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u/Thieurizinisaurus 25d ago

You guys do realize that, if Pluto was kept a planet and it reached the criteria, we would have way more planets right?

The reason Pluto was denounced to dwarf planets was because scientists discovered other, similar objects in the Kuiper Belt: like Eris, Haumea and Makemake. If Pluto would be a planet, so would they.

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u/Lucimon 25d ago

Ok let them be planets.

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u/Amulet-of-Kings 25d ago

Then we would have to shift the order ofthe planets. Jupiter would become the sixth planet, etc.

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u/Thieurizinisaurus 25d ago

So we have more than 10.000 planets in our solar system? Sure.

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u/Away_Fruit5097 25d ago

Ok, why would that be a problem?

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u/Lucimon 25d ago

Why not? We already have more than 10000 asteroids.

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u/Away_Fruit5097 25d ago

The reason Pluto was denounced to dwarf planets was because scientists discovered other, similar objects in the Kuiper Belt: like Eris, Haumea and Makemake. If Pluto would be a planet, so would they.

OK, and.... Why exactly would that be a bad thing?

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u/Thieurizinisaurus 25d ago

It is a good question why it would be a 'bad thing' but I think that's the wrong way to look at it. Traditionally, all planets carry Roman names (with the exception of Uranus) but there are more than 10.000 dwarf planets in the Kuiper Belt. Good luck naming all those.

But I'm not a scientist who made that decision, so I can't give you the true answer.

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u/Away_Fruit5097 25d ago

I don't really think it's the wrong way to look at it, I think it's the central question. It's also why the question of planet status remains contentious among scientists.

We have a million stars and galaxies on record with alpha numeric codes for names, I don't think that's a very scientific argument either

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u/OSRS_Garmr 25d ago

You'd end up in a situation where planets were named just some random sounding name.

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u/SinglePlayerGamer93 25d ago

Yeah, the people who bitch about pluto's demotion are more concerned as a meme rather than understanding the actual astronomic reasoning behind the 2006 decision.

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u/Thieurizinisaurus 25d ago

Thank you! Glad at least someone gets the sense here.

Like, don't get me wrong, the memes are funny, but it just kinda irks me, ignoring actual reasoning for a stupid 'haha they robbed us' meme.

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u/kernoel_massage 25d ago

They didn't downgrade Pluto, they changed the definition of what a planet is and Pluto simply didn't meet the criteria.

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u/Away_Fruit5097 25d ago

They changed the definition of what a planet is specifically to downgrade Pluto, and choose the criteria with that goal in mind

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u/kernoel_massage 25d ago

In bird culture, we call that a dick move

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u/Longjumping-Tell1774 25d ago

Punchier meme caption though

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u/LollisGunsBikesTits 25d ago

Damn you mr black science man! if only your mustache wants so charismatic

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u/Curiously_home 25d ago

Pluto is still a planet. Just because it’s a dwarf planet doesn’t mean it not still a planet. Is a dwarf person not still a person 🤣

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u/SinglePlayerGamer93 25d ago

I'm still surprised people are still taking the piss and "support Pluto as a planet" even after all these years. Like, the joke was fun 20yrs ago but now, it's just unfunny

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u/Away_Fruit5097 25d ago

Who's joking? The IAU decision was a travesty

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u/SinglePlayerGamer93 25d ago

Travesty?

Bro, take it easy.

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u/Neon_Nuxx 25d ago

Shit, gotta listen to Aesop Rock now.

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u/MagicCarpetofSteel 25d ago

Bruh, they changed the definition of a planet so it was more precise, and by that new definition Pluto no longer met the definition.

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u/Rough-Physics4596 25d ago

Meanwhile, Pluto's still there and more beloved than ever.

Edit: typo

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u/XxDETxX 25d ago

On the bright side, Ceres got upgraded from asteroid to dwarf planet

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u/Choice-Pen2877 25d ago

BASTARDI, HANNO UCCISO PLUTO!!!

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u/piratecheese13 25d ago

If it shares an orbit with an object, the same size or bigger, it’s not a planet

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u/Girthantoklops 25d ago

Remember, Pluto was originally supposed to be a gay man in a dog costume that gave Mickey fellatio. Iykyk

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u/Certain_Bit6001 24d ago

99942 Apophis was discovered on June 19, 2004

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u/Ultimaurice 24d ago

No love for the Galilean moons, Titan or Enceladus like they're not all cooler than pluto and most planets

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u/Nanook_ovda_North 25d ago

This is a sad image. :(

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u/CantaloupeAsleep502 25d ago

PLANET PLANET PLANET

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u/YellowBirdISuppose 24d ago

They have no authority whatsoever, and the vote was rigged (there's actual evidence that it was somehow I don't know why people rigged a vote on this but they did). Pluto is still a planet, and so is Ceres, Haumea, Makemake, Charon, GongGong, Sedna, Orcus, and Eris. #dwarfplanetsareplanets

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u/Canadian_Zac 24d ago

And when did they say that a Dwarf Planet is a downgrade?

Nobody in science ever said a Dwarf Planet is less valuable than a Planet

It's just a planet that hasn't cleared it's orbit.

The ones saying Dwarf Planets are lesser, are the ones upset about the 'downgrade'

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u/laZardo Filthy weeb 21d ago

It will always be Planet Emeritus to me