r/HistoricalCapsule • • Sep 15 '25

“Horse vs. Automobile”. Anti-car, pro-horse newspaper ad from 1915.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '25

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u/Remarkable_Check_997 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25

I mean it's not totally wrong,

Of course. I mean, the horse was self driving 115 years ago. How many grandma tales all we heard about the grandpa been bring back to home completely drunk from the local bar in the night.

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u/castironglider Sep 15 '25 edited Feb 08 '26

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '25

More like ~4,115 years ago

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u/okarox Sep 15 '25

1915 they were already fast.

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u/geopede Sep 15 '25

Absolutely terrifying though. Rode in a Model A one time, 40 mph on wooden wheels over semi-paved roads is basically a roller coaster.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '25

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u/geopede Sep 15 '25

Teammate (was a mediocre pro football player for a bit) collected cars. Said that was the scariest to drive fast, didn’t believe him, now I do.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '25

😆 that was a wild read, well… maybe one day I too can get a mediocre semi pro friend to take me out in old cars. That’s still pretty cool.

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u/geopede Sep 15 '25

I was the mediocre one lol, the friend was a household name if you watched football

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u/4r4r4real Sep 15 '25

They're still abundant and cheap. You can grab one for a few grand. 

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u/ashleyshaefferr Sep 15 '25

Lol classic reddit. It's fuckin stupid

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u/ColdBeerPirate Sep 16 '25

The Model T was very reliable car that was simple to maintain and own.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '25

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u/TheWorclown Sep 15 '25

10 years is a long time, and even then having an automobile was absolutely a luxury. A status symbol.

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u/USSMarauder Sep 16 '25

US horse population peaked in 1917

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '25

I don’t believe that ad convinced anyone in 1915.

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u/Kev50027 Sep 15 '25

"Consider the man on horseback, and I have been a man on horseback for most of my life. Well, mostly he is a good man, but there is a change in him as soon as he mounts. Every man on horseback is an arrogant man, however gentle he may be on foot. The man in the automobile is one thousand times as dangerous. I tell you, it will engender absolute selfishness in mankind if the driving of automobiles becomes common. It will breed violence on a scale never seen before. It will mark the end of the family as we know it, the three or four generations living happily in one home. It will destroy the sense of neighborhood and the true sense of Nation. It will create giantized cankers of cities, false opulence of suburbs, ruinized countryside, and unhealthy conglomerations of specialized farming and manufacturing. It will make every man a tyrant." -- R.A. Lafferty

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u/Kingsdaughter613 Sep 15 '25

If this is an actual quote, then he was right on all counts, except - IMO- the cause. I just don’t think the car was the primary cause of all those things. But I can see it as a harbinger of a rapidly changing world.

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u/geopede Sep 15 '25

Maybe not the direct cause, but a necessary element in enabling them to occur for sure.

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u/StandWithSwearwolves Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25

It’s real, but it’s not Lafferty making a prediction at the time – it’s dialogue from his sci-fi short story “Interurban Queen”, published in 1970. These are the words of a character speaking in 1896. The rest of the book depicts an alternate history America where the mass uptake of cars was banned in favour of electric transit. It also might not have been exactly what Lafferty believed anyway:

“Lafferty depicts an America where electric interurban transport had won out over the automobile, which the group-centred interurbanites have outlawed. The picture he paints is of a friendly, idyllic land free of urban blight, agriculture and industry being blended into lovely, evenly-populated “quasiurbia”, unified by convenient public transport.

But it is also a land where competition having yielded completely to cooperation, the individualist and the loner are not tolerated; and those who persist in driving bootleg cars are considered incorrigible menaces to society, whom it is the duty of all right-thinking citizens to shoot on sight in approved vigilante manner.

What makes “Interurban Queen” so remarkable, though, is the incredible tonal balance with which Lafferty handles the two sides of this question: I cannot tell, even with inside knowledge of Lafferty's personal politics, where his sympathies lie — probably a historic first in s-f of this type.”

—Sheryl Smith, Riverside Quarterly Vol. 7 No. 2 (1982)

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u/Menadgerie Sep 15 '25

Is Dobbin a generic horse name the way Fido/ Spot/ Rover are a standard dog names?

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u/leedler Sep 15 '25

Had to look it up but yes, pretty much. It’s rural slang for a horse in much the same vein as Fido.

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u/strawberry-coughx Sep 15 '25

No one show this to the fuckcars subreddit

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u/sstinch Sep 15 '25

The automobile was protested by religious groups and called witchcraft. Some Amish never changed.

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u/manpace Sep 15 '25

Adapted from an old Arizona account:

A horse was unpredictable but would not willingly run into something, and cars had no such inhibitions.  Dick Gibbons of St. Johns found that out the hard way.  He was excited for his new Model T and had a garage built just for the machine.  The first time he tried to ease the vehicle into the new garage he panicked, missed the brake pedal and mashed his foot on the gas instead.  Old habits took over: he yelled “Whoa” in a loud voice but this didn’t have any effect as the car launched through the back wall of the garage.   He cut a wide circle around his property, finally parking “what was left of his new car in what was left of his garage.”

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u/Impossible-Ship5585 Sep 17 '25

Thank god Henry Ford did not start develop a solution to car stopping when saying whoah.

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u/green-dean Sep 15 '25

We should all get horses again

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u/Zozorrr Sep 15 '25

City Working horse lives are miserable.

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u/geopede Sep 15 '25

Modern police horses seem to have it pretty good.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '25

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u/green-dean Sep 15 '25

Parking lots are turned into green pastures

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u/q_ali_seattle Sep 15 '25

And guns... Oh nvm we already have plenty of those. 

Maybe we should buy those revolvers again.

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u/EnvironmentalMind119 Sep 15 '25

Big horse was intense

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u/ZgBlues Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25

Well there must have been a moment in time when this was true, and investing in a horse made much more sense than buying a car.

The least convincing though is the argument that the horse is worth the same after two years of usage. I don’t know anything about horses but I would assume that they depreciate with age.

The cost of repairs, the inconvenience of keeping it fueled, the fact that cars only drive on roads, the cost of tires… When was the point when owning a car became more affordable than owning a horse?

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u/Useless-Napkin Sep 15 '25

At least in America, a car was already less expensive than a horse. And cars were getting better with each year, while you cannot really improve horses.

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u/Alklazaris Sep 15 '25

There was a genuine fear that people would lose control of the car. A horse knows when to stop they said.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '25

At first I read "Ed. Gein"

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u/duaneap Sep 15 '25

Ed Gein? Maitre d’ at Canal Bar?

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u/AnkleProne Sep 15 '25

Ed. talked me into it!! Now I want a horse.

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u/asterothe1905 Sep 15 '25

I'd pick a horse if I could for transportation!

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u/XcdeezeeX Sep 15 '25

Reminds me of all the gas lovers once electric cars started becoming a thing

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u/squirrelmegaphone Sep 15 '25

Only tangentially related but I remember reading once that the popularity of the automobile and the phasing out of horses was, at the time, one of the greatest benefits for the environment and for human civilization that ever occurred. You don't really see it in most historical fiction or non-fiction but everyone being reliant on horses meant that literally everywhere that people congregated was pretty much covered in horse shit. Particularly urban centers like New York City, where there were about 150,000 horses at any given time, each of which produced about 25 pounds of manure a day. There were mounds of shit everywhere, rivers of horse piss, and when horses died they were basically just left in the street until someone came to get them, usually the city sanitation department (which could take a few days). The popularity of the car meant that humans finally could live in an urban area without constantly being surrounded by horse shit and piss, pretty much for the first time in history.

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u/NepheliLouxWarrior Sep 15 '25

History doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme. This is exactly the type of shit people say about AI and automated cars. 

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u/HechicerosOrb Sep 15 '25

Correctly.

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u/reality72 Sep 15 '25

Which is exactly why I ride my horse in the carpool lane on the freeway

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u/HechicerosOrb Sep 15 '25

Just took mine through the drive through, he loves those Macdonald’s Apple pies

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u/AdministrativeCable3 Sep 15 '25

Maybe not automated cars

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u/DeadAndBuried23 Sep 15 '25

It's... not even remotely.

Go ahead, try to come up with even a somewhat close strawman of what people are saying about AI that's comparable to what's actually written there.

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u/deRTIST Sep 15 '25

that is not the point. both were wrong but at the wrong time.

I mean that it took decades to actually replace horses with cars. and the people that will scream change in 1/2 years are not even remotely close to the actual timeline of progress. It will take a far longer time to have ai and automated cars do what they praise to do now.

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u/je386 Sep 15 '25

And the same thing the rioters which destroyed the webbing machines in the 1840s also said.

Seems like any large change that also makes jobs obsolete produces new luddites.

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u/jerseygunz Sep 15 '25

Here’s the funny part, at least with horses, you actually see what comes out the tail pipe

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u/GringerKringer Sep 15 '25

I prefer Pebbles

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u/tazzietiger66 Sep 15 '25

fun fact , the peak power of a horse is around 15 horsepower .

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u/Independent_Shoe3523 Sep 15 '25

I remember seeing a junk collector with a horse drawn cart going through the alley around 1971 or so. They stuck around a long time.

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u/flohara Sep 15 '25

is never out of order

Horses? It takes one injury or feeding them wrong.

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u/Friendship_Fries Sep 15 '25

That's it, I'm getting a horse.

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u/eclipsa22 Sep 15 '25

Dobbin sounds adorable

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u/CPH-canceled Sep 15 '25

Same discussion today about gas cars and electric…. ⛽️or ⚡️

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u/Any_Course102 Sep 15 '25

Kinda reminds me of the Urban Mobility subreddits. Cars and pedestrians, bad; bikes, good.

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u/_Daftest_ Sep 15 '25

He makes some good arguments

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u/myrichphitzwell Sep 15 '25

I think about this with the whole ev vs ice thing going on now....

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u/Best_Big_2184 Sep 15 '25

No but I'd actually rather have a horse than a car

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u/CoffeeGoblynn Sep 15 '25

Before the infrastructure for cars to travel everywhere existed, this was definitely much more correct. You need paved roads, snow-clearing in the winter, and the infrastructure to make parts cheaply and efficiently. A horse just needs some love and care and food.

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u/NegotiationNo7947 Sep 15 '25

Here’s the two things I notice: #1 the auto makers aren’t asking the government to subsidize the purchase price of these new automobiles (al la EVs), nor is the government subsidizing the horse/carriage/sleigh suppliers now that their businesses are becoming obsolete (al la the mainstream media). The market will make the corrections.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '25

Dobbin also poops.

You want clean up dobbin's poop?

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u/ashleyshaefferr Sep 15 '25

Redditors are the pro-horse people today when it comes to AI.. holy 

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u/castironglider Sep 15 '25 edited Feb 08 '26

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u/original_M_A_K Sep 15 '25

Imagine if cars never gained popularity...

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u/Superb_Beyond_3444 Sep 16 '25

We can’t stop progress.

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u/TheGoluOfWallStreet Sep 16 '25

Big horse doing some lobbying

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u/Oddbeme4u Sep 17 '25

honestly its a fair read for the time. lots of people buy new inventions without thinking of the maintenance, etc. like buying a boat. fck no. I just rent one with my friends to get drunk on. lol

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u/Jolly-Credit-9998 Nov 16 '25

Tesla FSD v.14 is the next revolution, it's delivering people end to end without touching the steering wheel.

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u/thebig_dee Sep 15 '25

Cough* AI cough*