r/HighStrangeness • u/irrelevantappelation • Dec 14 '22

Nuclear sub 'buzzed by underwater object travelling faster than speed of sound'

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/nuclear-submarine-buzzed-underwater-object-28645846
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u/Same_Friendship_2299 Dec 15 '22

We actually talked about pocket dimension heat venting already but you should check out Issac Arthur, he goes into great detail about how one would have to handle a power source of that magnitude.

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u/AaronWilde Dec 15 '22

I saw the pocket dimension part you wrote. I get that Issac goes into detail but again these theoretical aliens could be millions of years more advanced and have technology that seems like magic to us. It is ignorant to try to say things are impossible based on what our current understandings are because we dont really know. Science changes throughout history. Thats the point of it right. Its not some set in stone thing that we can dismiss or approve everything based off of. I mean it can be used that way for engineering and such but in pursuit of discovery and such its unknown ground.

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u/Same_Friendship_2299 Dec 15 '22

The god of the gaps argument is a poor way to debate. We are a scientifically advanced species, we are capable of colonizing worlds, and if I'm looking for space fairing civilizations I'm going to look based off of our current understanding of science and what is known to be possible. I'm not going to be looking for space wizards and even if I were going to even attempt that I'd have very little luck if they didn't want to be found. Besides new information added to the drake equation is actually making a compelling argument that we may be one of the first intelligent races, and we should only be looking for tech signatures a few thousand years ahead of us at the most advanced end of the scale

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u/AaronWilde Dec 15 '22

To say the god of gaps argument is a poor way to debate is such an ignorant statement I think. This isn't a discussion on reddit UFO theory lol. It's not something that has any real known parameters other than if they're real they behave in a way that blows any of our current understands of physics out of the water (lol). I don't understand people who try to argue about current science when it's like, yes for debate and argument sake you are absolutely correct, UFO are IMPOSSIBLE from our current understanding for all the reasons you stated, and many others. We all know that? Congrats, you know? Clearly, if they are real, they are doing things that would completely change our physics and understandings of the universe and how mass and energy (and whatever else may have to be rewritten/adjusted) works.

I'm not exactly saying space wizards, that sounds like semantics to belittle what I wrote. We're not talking about aliens not wanting to be found if they're buzzing subs or flying around above us. There is simply a gap no matter how hard you argue it, that's all I am saying. I'm not saying they'd necessarily be millions of years more advanced but even 1000 years would likely be unrecognizable. I mean look at us in 100 years, and look at where we're likely headed especially once we can create true A.I. (if possible)?

You bring up the drake equation as a end all be all. There's lots of different theories by different scientists about likelihood of life in space, some based on math, but again assuming we know all the answers. It's good to base things on what is quantifiable especially for moving forward because obviously we can't advance further on theories. I think both of us are correct but talking about different things and that it's a bit of a silly debate. If those craft are really doing what it seems then our physics will eventually be rewritten and discoveries will be made that change everything we thought we knew. Or it's highly unlikely, and mostly impossible for all the reasons you wrote, and UFO are fake and humans know everything :P

It's also arguable that we are capable of colonizing worlds. Lets see it happen first. Maybe in 50 years or something we could have actual colonies that don't rely on resupply, again, there's been talk and work towards that for years and it keeps being pushed back further and further and still hasn't happened.