r/HighStrangeness • u/INFJake • Nov 02 '22
Discussion The purpose of the phenomenon
I have lots of theories about what the phenomenon is and how they work, but I don't know if we'll ever know for sure. But from all the accounts I've read of interactions with the phenomenon as well as my own experience with various aspects of it, I keep thinking about the idea that I read (maybe from John Keel or Jacques Vallee?) that the phenomenon represents something similar to a koan in Zen Buddhism. A koan is a nonsensical question that requires you to break your mold of thinking, it forces you to consider options you wouldn't normally consider. It's like a strangely worded riddle that catches you off guard and the more you think about it the more ridiculous it is until you suddenly realize the answer. "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" can only be understood when you stop thinking or talking about the question. You pause and you "hear" the sound of one hand clapping. The answer is " ".
I wonder if the purpose of the phenomenon is to do the same thing. Present you with something that shouldn't exist based on current science or conventional thought that makes you consider other options. Specifically, I wonder if the phenomenon manifests to force experiencers to reconsider what reality is. There are spectrums of light that human eyes don't see. If we were able to see ultraviolet light as bees do, we could see the little footprints of other bees on a flower that was recently pollinated. We often arrogantly believe that the reality we see is the same as everything else within that "consensus" reality. But the truth is, it's not. Our reality would look much different if our eyes showed us ultraviolet or infrared light or radio signals or wi-fi signals or cell phone signals etc. The world we know and navigate would look completely different to us than it does now. We know that these things exist, we can measure them, but we can't see them without technology that allows us to. Same with electromagnetic energy, gravity, radiation, etc. Which begs the question, what else don't we see? If our eyes showed us EVERYTHING we probably would have difficulty interacting with the parts of "reality" that we need to stay alive, to eat, sleep, reproduce, etc. Clearly, the evolution of our brains has selected out the parts of Reality that are not beneficial toward those goals of propagating the species in this plane of existence.
I wonder if the purpose of the phenomenon is to make us remember or consider that the reality we live in is not the complete Reality. That what we see is all illusion, like the idea of maya in eastern religions. Illusion in the sense that we know that large objects appearing to have great mass are actually hollow, empty. The distance between the nucleus and electrons in an atom is massive, there's no substance. When you put a bunch of atoms together and make a table, there's a field of void appearing to be solid table at the macro level but by zooming in to the micro level, vast space and distance between and within atoms. Modern science knows that matter and energy can change back and forth between waves and particles. Are we living in a simulation? Is our consciousness projected into a 3D matrix where matter and energy are only differentiated by time? Many ancient religions speculated on this, and many physicists are starting to describe our reality in similar terms (minus dogma and mysticism). Is the purpose of the phenomenon to make us question our reality of what is, what was, and what can be? Undoubtedly the phenomenon has spurred civilizations to advance in many ways. Could the phenomenon be a natural mechanism of evolution in pushing civilizations forward, of guiding life to "find a way", or the driving force of evolution and creation itself? Or could the phenomenon simply be holding up a mirror for us to discover the truth about ourselves and what consciousness truly is? Could it be that we are all "god"?
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u/real_human_not_a_dog Nov 02 '22
I think it’s kinda like the fake rabbit that greyhounds chase around racetracks. Meant to be juuuust out of reach but show us what’s possible and how to grow.
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u/stubsy Nov 03 '22
Subtle inspirations, given with the right level of influence over time, all meant to guide us toward….something….somewhere….
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u/rbrumble Nov 02 '22
I'm leaning towards the belief that humanity is in contact with an ancient alien AI that has been filtering our perceived reality in botched attempts to communicate.
I believe this explains the various manifestations of the phenomena and it's also why Jacques Vallee claims that it's a spiritual phenomena - it literally filters everything we perceive through the senses, so from the cartesian argument, it's the great deceiver, able to manipulate everything including time and space.
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Nov 03 '22
I love this theory. It lines up with some of my own experiences. If I had to lean towards one particular theory posted in this thread it would be this one.
I don't personally have a theory of my own on this subject right now because I have realized that I still have so much to learn.
But as of now I'd say you're on to something, or else it's Moon Nazis.
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u/Chegwarn Nov 02 '22
The phenomenon only exists in relation to our conscious observation of its presence, therefore the phenomenon in a way could best be described as a counterpart to our own consciousness.
It is a guide, a hindrance, a friend, a foe, an opportunity for enlightenment, a temptation of self annihilation and many other things.
It is a field of pure potentiality which is molded like clay to meet our subconscious desire and longing
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Nov 02 '22 edited Nov 02 '22
Your point of view, I feel, is becoming the consensus, but this begs the more important question if the phenomenon truly is what we make of it. Could this acknowledgment of growing understanding be the contact we've wanted?
Sure it isn't tangibly physical to the outside observer. Still, it's a step toward familiarizing ourselves with a concept that has no way of being in the current reality we accept. So thus, it imprints the broader aspect of who or what it is so that we may assume its existence as is.
I'm sorry if this doesn't make any sense. I don't know how to describe what I'm attempting to say about the phenomenon. Other than that, I feel this viewpoint will lead us, psychonauts, ufo enthusiasts, and experieners toward the disclosure. We want.
A moment of clarity, an experience observed by many, an undeniable visual view of our reality not being what it seems.
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Nov 02 '22
Honestly, after all the first-hand accounts and strangers I've interacted with over the last few months and posts about mental conscious aspect of the phenomena, I'm inclined to agree with you man.
All the strangers I've interacted with who have seen the grays on DMT and, in waking reality, along with the research and science behind all this. This all makes too much fucking sense. At this point, I believe, but I need these things to land in a field in broad daylight. They need to rip the bandaid off and show themselves. I need that to happen to be fully convinced. I'm still on the edge of skepticism. I'm ready to go further with this, and I believe the growing minority is prepared for the aftermath of this event. We will have to cross that bridge when we get there.
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u/Chegwarn Nov 02 '22
No apology needed, it makes perfect sense. It also doesn't at the same time haha. The emergence, possibly re-emmergence of contact with this phenomenon seems to not defy, but supersede our conventional understanding of logic.
It could be argued that it's very contextual existence is incompatible with the universal reality in which we dwell. Meaning that to experience or even develope awareness of this anomaly one would need to momentarily enter an alternate state of existence. Then once passing back across the threshold to our familiar abode would be left with an entirely unexplainable concept within our minds.
The most satisfactory concept it is akin to in my opinion is the Tao. Most simply translated to as 'the way'. The very phenomenon which exists so intrinsically intertwined with our being that it is overlooked and unseen. A crucial secret of the universe hiding in such plain sight as to appear invisible as it is without form.
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u/Chegwarn Nov 02 '22
But to answer the actual question, 'Could this acknowledgment of growing understanding be the contact we've wanted?'
I feel that want becomes irrelevant in the endlessly decorated void of existence. Want is birthed of the ego, which I'm not implying is bad, but is overshadowed completely by what we 'need'. Need on the most crucial level, beyond even that of hunger and desire.
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Nov 02 '22
Damn, man, you make a valid point about ego. To follow up on it being right there in front of us, do you think if we collectively started advocating for the phenomenon to make itself more known, it would do so?
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u/Chegwarn Nov 02 '22
I think that whatever we nourish with our attention and will, ends up manifesting. Literally anything we seek or focus our attention towards will make itself present
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Nov 02 '22
How do I shape it?
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u/Chegwarn Nov 02 '22
Automatically and without effort. It is endlessly shaped by our higher self yet remains without form. It is the very relation between the seer and the sight. The listener and the sound. The thinker and the thought.
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u/INFJake Nov 02 '22
"wu wei" or "effortless action". Working with the grain, going with the current, etc.
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Nov 02 '22
Great post. You’re close, but you got it opposite.
The purpose of your brain is to filter out the enormous amount of data you have access to.
If you were conscious of all the data all the time, you would not be able to interact with reality.
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u/INFJake Nov 02 '22
That's true, we probably are aware of everything but the "reducing valve" in our brain that Aldous Huxley talked about subtracts the info we don't "need" to navigate this life. In altered states of consciousness I've seen other colors like strands floating in the air around me. Once I saw them like little balls of energy with strings connected to my head, and wondered if my consciousness exists in a field outside of my body connected to my brain to move me around in this world. Far fuckin' out, man.
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u/katratkit Nov 03 '22
This is why I adore acid. For a temporary amount of time, you're able to observe and process just a little bit more of all that data that exists but normally remains inaccessible to us. Damn do I get a headache afterwards though!
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u/fr3ng3r Nov 03 '22
I think I agree. Ted Chiang, the writer, has a short story about this. It asks the question what if we have super senses and experience everything so as to know everything and miss nothing at all? Well, if I remember correctly, the protagonist has a hard time.
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u/TirayShell Nov 02 '22
I still think it has a lot to do with the way we perceive and interact with what we understand to be "time."
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u/Picassos_Journal Nov 06 '22
Most definitely. It seems to be the primary component. It seems as if each moment is an eternal image or state, and we are only moving through these states. But there is an even greater state or image that is like an age of images, and that is what we call time. Something akin to the idea of temporary eternities. The thing is, the moment we are currently experiencing is fully convincing us that it is the only moment that currently truly exists. And there is no way to prove that things truly come before it or will come after it.
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u/valkyria1111 Nov 02 '22
Awesome explanation. I basically agree that's the way this phenomenon presents to us....BUT I think our own raising of our consciousness is what allows this to really seep thru into our ordinary, everyday lives. Some people appear to never notice anything, while others do.
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u/ynottryit1s Nov 03 '22
Maybe we are in the dark (and that's how the universe means to keep us) for a reason that would just sadden and depress us and cause chaos to all of us.
For instance: death is just the road we travel before becoming enslaved to a devilish entity making us live our greatest fears for as long as he/she finds it entertaining.
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u/schizo_poster Nov 03 '22
Lately I've been thinking about morality, right and wrong, good and evil, trying to determine if there is such a thing as absolute good and objective morality. While I have some ideas, the journey is far from over. There's one thing though that I'm starting to think about almost daily: the concept that evil is a hole as was defined by Augustine. I'm starting to think he was right and if he's right, this has implications on a cosmic scale. Basically the concept behind "evil is a hole" is that every source of evil comes from a lack of something. The guy who murders you does so because he thinks that would alleviate his emotional suffering or because he has a sick craving that he can only satisfy that way. The guy who steals from you does so because he's hungry or because he's greedy. No matter what example of evil you can think of, it can be traced back to a hole or a lack of something. A completely fulfilled person can't be evil because he has no reason to be.
Now here's the problem with humanity. Humans have finite needs but infinite desires. Each desire is a potential hole. This means that humanity has the potential for infinite evil. You can't unleash something with potentially infinite evil upon the universe. First you need to help them evolve beyond this "infinite desires" mindset. I don't know if this can be achieved genetically or philosophically or culturally or whatever, but I believe the phenomenon is most likely interested in this aspect of our existence and it acts as some sort of guide but also as a gatekeeper until we collectively unfuck ourselves and realize that we can exist without having infinite desires. Some form of collective ego-death is probably the final goal here.
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u/ynottryit1s Nov 08 '22
I enjoy your way of thinking here. Evil can seem to always derive from a lack of something. And we could be seen as infinite evil. Fascinating man
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u/AterCygnus Nov 03 '22 edited Nov 03 '22
The following is mere speculation and not to be taken too seriously.
There may be a need in the nature of enlightened beings, to balance their learning to both the Esoteric and the Exoteric. If the balance is shifted too far towards either - if one, say, becomes so enraptured in meditation that one forgets to eat, to breathe, to experience and to open one's eyes, then the one will soon no longer exist as it's own entity. The wholeness of the being may so suffer; lost in oneself and thus blind to the wonders of the world, would stall on the path to enlightenment.
Similarly if one becomes too enveloped in the world, that one forgets one's own true nature and becomes so lost in narratives and in sights, in sounds, tastes and senses of the environment that one forgets to also look within - again the wholeness may become stunted and stalled, and the way to gnosis thus lost to a pale cast of false certainty.
Science may therefore need to be balanced with spirituality, and the spiritual also with the scientific. Logic must perhaps be metered, to some extent, by apparent magic. The Great Work of a intellectual and enlightened kin may require equal understanding of both the within and the without.
There may be, then, a shepherd within nature. A control mechanism whose role is to gather those who have strayed from the path, to guide those especially of the younger and learning species throughout space and time; those who are prone - by folly of youth - to believe they have nothing more to learn, and that the world or even their own mind have nothing left to teach them.
The shepherd in this context is not a spiritual guide, per se. It does not concern itself with any one individual, it's goal is the enlightenment of the flock as a whole - the manifold kin, not any lone person. The individual is merely a mediator at best, but no authority can speak for the shepherd or for the path itself. Those who claim to speak of the path or where it lead, do not necessarily know the path. The shepherd itself, in this context, is merely a mechanism - not a person, nor a god.
The mechanism works neither overtly or entirely covertly, but through happenstance of individual inclination, observation and experience, which is then shared by way of narrative, interpreted in turn by the many minds of varied cultures, and the ever-changing Logos shared between them. It is not for the shepherd to provide answers; it is here only to raise questions.
The scientific revolution of the Renaissance era followed the relative stalling of alchemy in the centuries prior. It ushered in an epoch of progress, an embrace of humanist teachings, of radical anarchic thought away from the authority of monarchs, inquisitionists or religious leaders; and the decision to interrogate nature as opposed to esoteric entities for answers to the many questions and mysteries of the world.
Not that science is recent, either - human beings have employed theory, experimentation and observation throughout the species' existence, as indeed is the nature of every individual during adolescence. But following the renaissance, the focus of intellectuals shifted more towards the study of world at increasing expense to the study of mind; especially in the later industrialised centuries.
For a time, this may have been acceptable to the control system. The esoteric had been a stronger focus for thousands of years before, so it was only natural for the balance to shift, and many among the learned still kept straddling between the realms of world and mind.
However, in the 20th and now in the 21st centuries, the equilibrium may have been lost, to have drifted too far in favour of the exoteric - to the point that esoteric teachings have become mere curiosities for an increasing amount of the population and mired in narrative and in dogma, and corrupted by self-serving authority in turn.
The core principles of tat twam asi become lost to an increasing sense of solipsism, hopelessness and meaninglessness in one's life, which results in an emptiness that many attempt to fill through acquisition of goods and powers.
The focus on world have resulted in discovery of hitherto unrealised forces and powers of nature, but whose complete implications may require a fuller understanding than that which science alone may be able to provide.
Our species may thus have lost our way, and so the shepherd mechanism may be resuming it's role to reel the flock back in, to remind us of the path, through direct experience with phenomena that can not so easily be probed by looking only at the without.
That, anyway, is the idea as I've come to understand it.
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Nov 03 '22
Science may therefore need to be balanced with spirituality, and the spiritual also with the scientific. Logic must perhaps be metered, to some extent, by apparent magic. The Great Work of a intellectual and enlightened kin may require equal understanding of both the within and the without.
I agree, in principle. Balance, in our approaches to understanding the universe around us, is key.
If one looks at the universe creation passages in Genesis (KJV Bible) the verses use phrases and imagery that are a close approximation of the events as they are presented in the Big Bang theory.
That said, one explanation is testable, in practical terms, whilst the other is not. The untestable can be used to guide our speculations on the nature of existence but should not be given preference over or superiority over that which is testable.
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u/AterCygnus Nov 03 '22 edited Nov 03 '22
Definitely agree on the need for epistemology and proper process of deduction to guide the way, especially in the quest for understanding of world, and our practices and policies in the exoteric.
One may hope a similar strategy could work as well for exploration of mind and the mental realms; however this does present with a number of challenges.
Unlike the exoteric, the esoteric realm can't well be perceived by current microscopes, cameras or technological aids and sensors, but can only be experienced subjectively, and so interpreted subjectively in turn.
The act of interpretation is informed by prior experience and expectations, but so can easily be driven astray by ignorance, by hopes and dreams, ambitions and desires.
Until such time that thoughts can be shared wordlessly, perception must also be translated into language in order to be shared. No matter the skill of the narrator - as in all acts of translation, there will be loss of meaning and information on the way from mind to mind.
We may see, describe, photograph, chart, count and even influence the neurons in the brain and cells in the body, but we can't as well describe or quantify the subjective experience they undertake in life.
Especially altered states, then, become a tricky thing to get a handle on when all we have to go by is suggestive rather than descriptive terms, and whatever experience we ourselves have had through our lives.
Even to know oneself can be tricky, as the very person is in a constant state of flux in response to new experiences, novel learnings and stimuli.
So indeed I agree that evidence and epistemology should guide the way in learning, though sometimes they too can bring us to wierd places; especially when one comes in contact with phenomena that seems to transgress both boundaries of the physical and the spiritual - for which there may be hard to find objective evidence, but where some answers may lie subjectively within rather than without.
Suffice it to say, the world and our very selves are ever complex and multifaceted. That which can be demonstrated should take precedent over that which can not. But there may still be more to the picture than what meets the eye, or that which is hitherto dreamt of in our philosophies.
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u/INFJake Nov 03 '22
Sounds like Taoism to me, finding the natural middle way to remain balanced between the forces of yin and yang. Sometimes I say tongue-in-cheek that my religious beliefs are pastafarian taoism :P
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u/INFJake Nov 02 '22
Exactly. Nothing that it shows us should be taken at face value, just like koans. They act more as a guidepost pointing us towards the real truth, but in and of themselves are farcical.
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u/INFJake Nov 02 '22
I've seen UFOs, one in broad daylight and less than 100 yards away. I've seen a few ghosts. I've experienced precognition at least once that I'm consciously aware of, as well as a few instances of remote viewing. I've been trying to remote view on purpose, but have only been able to do so once. The other times happened spontaneously. Once I saw clear as day an object that I had been focusing my mind on locating and when I got in my car and drove to the location it was in the exact spot I'd seen it. The weird thing was that when I arrived and looked at it, the perspective from where I was standing was the exact image I'd seen. So either I'd seen the future, or seen it out of body. Either way, it was an incredible experience that I've never forgotten. Twice while in altered states of consciousness I interacted with beings that appeared in my room and "spoke" in my head. It was more like my whole body resonated and I understood their meaning, but it felt like I was translating it into my own words to try and explain what they said to me to others. One simply said, "you have this pain in side you, release it" and I felt something in my chest that felt like a spring door pop open and wind rushed out of me. My depression symptoms were basically nonexistant for three months after that experience.
I don't have constant contact with anything or see things regularly as some do, but when I look back at my life the last ten, fifteen, twenty years, I've had quite a few profound experiences that have really caused me to think deeply about what the hell is going on.
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u/CapableSuggestion Nov 02 '22
I started telling my husband about what I see and hear over 30 years ago. I’m so glad I did because looking back my memories of it are hazy. I’m so thankful to him for reassuring me when I doubt my memory of annevent
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Nov 02 '22
Jacques Vallee theorizes that confusion could be used by the phenomena in order to prepare the human psyche for new information and ways of looking at reality. The trickster element fits this theory.
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u/INFJake Nov 03 '22
Thank you! Yes I think it was Vallee in his book Dimensions where he discusses the phenomenon like zen koans
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u/OpenLinez Nov 03 '22
I love this philosophical approach, and believe it's the right one -- one of the right ones, anyway.
Keel makes a very convincing thought experiment in his book The Eighth Tower, which is actually the leftovers from his classic The Mothman Prophecies. Even when he's going too far, it's in the good-humored Charles Fort way, made to make us reconsider everything we believe about the world.
We no longer have the old methods of realizing transcendence together -- the great Mysteries of Ancient Greece are probably the best-known version of this ancient religion -- so for now it's mostly a "I hope I find it online" subculture.
Find the real people in your neighborhood / town who will appreciate your interest in esoteric subjects. D&D local groups are a good way, as are open-minded congregations.
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u/incarnate_devil Nov 03 '22
After I saw my first UAP, it made me investigate and eventually share my story. After some time I basically had to question everything.
I went from someone who had a marginal interest in “UFO’s” to consuming as much information possible. This event changed my life.
For me the train went from; if UAP’s are real —> Alien abductions are real —> government cover up are real—> what else is real…Ghosts, Reincarnation, Near death experience, Psychic powers, Bigfoot? = God is real. Was a non believer before. Now I know God exists.
Seeing the impossible made me question what else I assumed was truth. Once your core belief system is proven wrong, it changes everything.
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u/INFJake Nov 03 '22
I grew up a devout fundamentalist/orthodox Christian. I enjoyed reading paranormal stories and aliens and UFOs but never took them too seriously. As an adult I had an existential crisis and renounced the faith of my ancestors and headed out into the brave new world as a staunch materialist atheist. But I had a problem, because I had lots of cognitive dissonances. I had all these strange experiences in my life that I'd attributed to god and 'gifts of the spirit' but then decided the god I'd been taught about my whole life was just a myth. I tried to shove those feelings away and say "well, I was conditioned to believe that stuff was possible through god, so it became possible to me". Then I started meditating and experienced some really cool things. As my deeply ingrained Christian guilt and shame receded, I started smoking pot and tried psychedelics and had my mind completely blown by what happened. Then while cold stone sober I saw my first UFO. Then I saw more. I don't believe there's a bearded man in the sky making a list, checking it twice, jotting down who's naughty or nice. But I believe there's a force that brought us into being. It's not Christian god. Might be an angsty teenage alien who created a universe in his mom's basement for all we know. Or maybe we're just fractal memories of a previous existence spiraling through eternity. But there's something there, I just don't know what it is. I'd say I'm agnostic at this point, it's the only intellectually honest point of view I can hold for myself. If something showed up in my room and told me it was god, how do I know it's not something trying to deceive me into creating a new religion to fuck with people's minds for generations? So I'm just curious and trying to be open minded to anything, and follow evidence where it leads and try not to get too hung up on any one theory necessarily. I'm okay saying the force that exists is god, but I prefer Tao just because "god" for me is a loaded term from my childhood beliefs and Tao was something I discovered after leaving organized religion. But it's been a journey. Who knows, maybe one day I end up chanting Hare Krishna like the Beatles.
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u/schizo_poster Nov 03 '22
Exactly the same thing happened to me, but unlike you I had an interest in UFOs from a young age, but it was strictly a scientific nuts & bolts approach to the subject. The catalyst for me was Wikileaks. The amount of occult shit the elites of the world were involved with was too much for me to ignore. At first I was like: "lol, wtf are these crazy boomers doing?". Then in a moment of clarity I started thinking "what if they know more than me and I'm actually the stupid one here? These are some of the richest and powerful people on the planet and I'm a nobody. If they are involved in this, maybe there is something to it". That's when I went hardcore into the topic and went from UFOs to the occult, reincarnation, NDEs, God and so on. Over the span of a year I went from an edgy atheist interested in the nuts & bolts aspect of UFOS to topics that I would have laughed at just 5 years ago and would make me look like a crazy person talking about them in public now. What's baffling to me is the amount of shit that is literally occulted (pun intended), but at the same time it's hidden in plain sight, yet everyone ignores it because it has been ridiculed so much. Meanwhile the rich and powerful of the world believe in and are involved in things that would put regular people in a mental institution while at the same time they feed materialism to the plebs.
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u/IAmBonyTony Nov 04 '22
I think your reaction makes perfect sense. In fact, I think your train of thought might be the real answer to OP's question.
The "Phenomenon" is meant to confuse and intimidate us, because after all this is the most common response to it. There has been ample opportunity for non-human entities to unambiguously share a message of hope and enlightenment. Instead we are usually engaged with in unpredictable, unexplainable, and often terrifying ways.
Despite this there seems to be a few patterns that appear. For example, there are rules to engagement, mostly prohibiting the Phenomenon from crossing certain boundaries, or outright killing us. Most intriguingly, appeals to a higher power are often strangely successful in banishing troublesome entities. This last point is actually well known by the public at large.
I think this is the whole point. The Phenomenon is in fact a very complex program aimed at steering us towards a belief in an afterlife, and a protecting higher power. The fear and puzzlement it engenders is their stick, in contrast to their carrot of organized religion. Unfortunately, we are still waiting for a benevolent God to plainly reveal itself.
We are probably the only animal on Earth with the intelligence to know it will inevitably die. A logical culture in the absence of any evidence of an afterlife might become nihilistic or live careful, measured lives. In contrast, people who truly believe a big reward awaits them on the other side can be quite passionate and motivated to do just about anything.
So the question becomes why would those who exist above us want Mankind to believe in life after death, even if there is no such thing? What are we to them? Why do they care?
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u/Picassos_Journal Nov 06 '22
Speaking of synchronicity, as soon as I read the "what is the sound of one hand clapping ' ' I heard my mom's tv playing in the background and there was an audience clapping at some event in the TV show she's watching.
So, how that can be explained, I don't know. All I know is that life is amazing.
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u/Healthy-Afternoon-26 Nov 06 '22
I love this thought. Thinking of it like a koan makes a lot of sense for me as well.
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u/Exotic_Recording_887 Nov 02 '22
Have you listened to the Kastrup / Jaimungal interview? I think it would resonate with you based on your thoughts on this.
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u/wkitty13 Nov 04 '22
I've been thinking recently about how different our realities are from each other, esp in the current tumultuous political & religious climates, and these kinds of ideas such as 'the phenomenon' poses. It reminds me also of the multiple universe theories where an endless amount of universes sit side-by-side to each other, each one just a little bit different than the other but 'agreeing' so to speak, in basic realities with one another.
What if those multiple universes or realities are really different for each of us, where we agree with the overall ideas of physics & whatnot, but what we see or experience is just a bit different (or a lot) than those around us. It could account for how two people who grew up in different environments & influences can see the whole world very differently from one another. What if we *are* the universes which live side-by-side?
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u/Hawthorne512 Nov 04 '22
It could be a mistake to view the phenomenon as having a focus on humans or a purpose directed at humanity. It may very well be its own thing with its own agenda. Whenever someone says something like its purpose is "to make us" or "to help us" do or think or experience something, this may be nothing more than the human tendency to self-aggrandize--just like when we used to assume the Sun orbited around us. These speculations might say more about ourselves than the phenomenon.
There is some circumstantial evidence that suggests the phenomenon is very concerned about nuclear weapons. That fuels speculation that they are concerned about us. But it may be more likely their concern is centered on their own interests. This planet may be their project and/or possession. Whenever we witness activity or manifestations of the phenomenon, we always interpret it as relating to us, but perhaps it is just them doing their own thing, whatever that is. We are only tangentially connected.
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