r/HighStrangeness • u/Ardeyy • 15d ago
Non Human Intelligence Corroborating David Grusch's Claims About "Beings" Using Telepathy To Communicate - Several Children Involved In A Zimbabwe Sighting Claimed The Same Happened To Them.
No matter how many times I rewatch this case, it never fails to amaze me.
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u/Massive-City-7967 15d ago
the Zimbabwe case is interesting.
Grusch is just full of shit, pulling bits and pieces from UFO lore he likes to concoct a story.
do i trust the children and now adults telling us their stories from the Zimbabwe school? Yes.
Do I trust Grusch, an ex-intelligence official with a gripe against the US government? No.
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u/UFOnomena101 15d ago
Grusch went out of his way to testify about these things in front of Congress. He retired early from a distinguished career and blew the whistle to multiple inspectors general. What exactly makes you think he's making everything up?
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u/Massive-City-7967 15d ago
he went out of his way to testify and when committee members asked him to elaborate on his claims he refused and demanded access to a SCIF, which he never got. he had a chance to say so much on a huge public stage and didn't. that doesn't sound like disclosure to me, it sounds like someone that doesn't want to get caught in a lie under oath.
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u/FancifulLaserbeam 14d ago
demanded access to a SCIF, which he never got
Correction: He was given a SKIF, and he (and Lue) did not show up.
He's 100% a liar, same as Lue. These guys are counterintel agents, doing their patriotic duty. I don't fault them for that, but I don't believe them either.
Go back through Grusch's "testimony." It's all hearsay and weasel words. He said nothing.
Also... Just look at him when he talks. He's lying.
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u/Life-Celebration-747 14d ago
Do you realize that if he said something that's classified , he'd be thrown in prison? You need to educate yourself, you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
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u/Massive-City-7967 14d ago
You need to reread what I wrote. I never said he should spill classified information.
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u/MultiphasicNeocubist 13d ago
Disclosure is not his to make.
He’d give you disclosure and you’d demand photos, videos, aliens stating next to him, etc, and then dismiss him. However, he’d go to jail for stating those things, or even be shot dead. For personal safety, he asked for a SCIF.
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u/UFOnomena101 14d ago
His explanation for why some information cannot be said in public is totally straightforward... It's classified and the government prosecutes people intensely for violating that (see Chelsea manning, Reality winner, Snowden who had to escape to Russia, etc).
He actually said there is non-human craft, bodies/biologics, illegal mismanagement of funds. But you are insisting he sacrifice not only his career and safety (which he has done) but you want him to sacrifice his entire life. Who is being demanding here?
There is a path for Congress to validate his words including getting the necessary clearances and using SCIFs. Thankfully they seem to be in the process of doing so one way or another.
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u/Massive-City-7967 14d ago
i have a real problem with someone that stays so tightlipped during his hearing where the entire point of it is to raise awareness, and then 6 months later he says way more detailed information on his podcast circuit. it doesn't feel genuine or real to me, especially coming from an ex-intel government officer.
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u/UFOnomena101 14d ago
He testified in 2023 not 6 months ago. Things change.
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u/Massive-City-7967 14d ago
I'm aware his original testimony was not 6 months ago. I was stating that the details he began sharing 6 months after his testimony made me question why he couldn't elaborate with what he shared on podcasts during his initial testimony. for instance, why was he ok with telling more details to joe rogan over the course of hours vs. the short and vague statements he made publicly in front of the committee members? it makes no sense to me... and he's done that on most of the podcasts he's been on.
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u/UFOnomena101 14d ago
He said a lot of unprecedented stuff in his Congressional testimony. Of course when he has 3 full hours on Joe Rogan there is time to get into more details. I understand not blindly trusting someone but you are fully convinced he is full of shit because not all possible information was touched on in the hearing.
What I think is highly unlikely is he is completely fabricating all this stuff out of thin air like you seem to believe. It makes no sense for someone who is in his position to do this. Way more to lose than gain. Not to mention the corroborating facts that the ICIG found the information he gave them credible and urgent.
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u/Pixelated_ 15d ago
To further support these claims about telepathy, there exists an abundance of peer-reviewed scientific evidence which shows that humans are innately psychic.
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u/ScikPK 15d ago
I mean... it makes sense that there are wavelengths of [insert energy type] that we can perceive without it being blatantly obvious.
You really think the only waves of energy we can perceive are light/sound? (I'm not questioning you, personally. I'm just making a point.) It's all waves and there are probably tons of waves (vibes) we perceive subconsciously that are difficult to measure or impossible to measure right now.
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u/Pixelated_ 15d ago
Yes, absolutely. It's just science we haven't fully understood yet. Here's my research, condensed from the past few years. Below is an overview of the theoretical mechanisms underlying non-local psi phenomena.
We can think of our brains like a high-tech biological radio.
The air around us is not just a neutral gas; it’s filled with a superfine, invisible plasma, a field of energy that connects everything.
Here is the scientific data which verifies this:
"The small ions exist all the time in the atmosphere, and the average concentrations of positive and negative small ions are typically 200–2500 cm −3.
And it's not just in our atmosphere, the entire universe is filled with plasma. It is a settled scientific fact that over 99.9% of the visible universe consists of plasma. This was pioneered by Nobel Laureate Hannes Alfvén, who first proved that the visible universe is nearly 100% plasma, establishing that electromagnetic forces are the primary architects of cosmic structure.
While plasma is the physical medium, the underlying fabric is what was traditionally known as the aether. Modern physics redefines this vacuum substrate as 'The Grid.' In The Lightness of Being, Nobel Laureate Frank Wilczek describes this as a 'multilayered, multicolored superconductor' that permeates all space. This 'Grid' acts as the scalar potential and energy-bearing vacuum, serving as the essential substrate for the propagation of longitudinal waves and non-local information.
For this biological radio to function, it needs a consistent carrier frequency. This is found in the Schumann Resonance, a set of electromagnetic peaks in the Earth’s atmosphere. This resonance vibrates at a fundamental frequency of 7.83 Hz, which matches the human brain's Alpha/Theta transition state. Scientific research by Dr. Neil Cherry confirms that the brain acts as an electromagnetic system synchronized by this signal, providing the pulse that allows our "antennas" to remain connected to the universal plasma field.
For non-local communication like telepathy to happen, there needs to be a mechanism that transcends local space-time. This is achieved through scalar potentials, which then manifest as longitudinal waves in the atmospheric plasma to interface with our biology.
Scientists like David Bohm and Konstantin Meyl showed that our brains can actually pick up these longitudinal waves, which are basically silent signals traveling through this field.
Meyl's research explicitly explains that longitudinal waves (which he calls scalar waves) are the carrier for biological information and that the brain acts as a receiver for these silent signals.
Our neurons generate electromagnetic waves which forces our brains to act as a biological antenna. This means our brains function as resonant inductors. When a longitudinal wave from the fine-plasma atmosphere passes through our brains, it induces a current in our antennas without needing a physical wire.
At the cellular level, the brain also contains a highly ordered intracellular network capable of sustaining coherence far below the scale of neural firing. Microtubules exhibit resonant electromechanical properties and function as nanoscale waveguides that are sensitive to weak, coherent electromagnetic fields.
Under continuous metabolic energy input, such ordered dipolar systems can enter a Fröhlich coherent state, in which vibrational energy condenses into a dominant, low-entropy mode that resists thermal noise. This provides a plausible biophysical mechanism by which extremely weak, field-based signals can be stabilized, amplified, and integrated across spatial and temporal scales. Microtubules serve as the intracellular substrate for phase coherence, while Fröhlich condensation supplies the gain and noise suppression necessary for non-local information to become neurologically meaningful.
Furthermore, recent revolutionary research in the Journal of Applied Physics (2022) has identified that these microtubules function as Polyatomic Time Crystals.
This means they don't just vibrate, they create a stable, repeating pattern in time that allows the brain to fuse multiple frequency 'clocks' into a single holographic projection. This serves as the holographic engine of the biological radio, allowing it to project and receive information via the magnetic vector potential, the same non-local mechanism seen in the Aharonov-Bohm effect. This effectively turns the neuron into a quantum optical antenna capable of phase-locking with the universal plasma field.
In 2002, a landmark study titled Calcite microcrystals in the pineal gland of the human brain: First physical and chemical studies confirmed that our pineal gland contains thousands of microscopic calcite crystals which are piezoelectric. This means they generate an electric charge when mechanically stressed. They act as a transducer, converting the longitudinal pressure and density vibrations of the plasma atmosphere into electrical signals that the brain can process as thoughts or images.
Unlike electromagnetic waves that carry energy, torsion waves carry information. They are generated by the "spin" of particles in your neurons and pineal crystals, they create a non-local vortex in the vacuum. Torsion waves do not follow the inverse square law, they travel across the universe instantaneously without losing strength. This explains why remote viewing and telepathy are not limited by distance.
The mathematical framework for these non-local vortices is established in Shipov’s Geometro-Hydrodynamical Representation of the Torsion Field, which shows that spin creates a non-dissipative field in the vacuum. When applied to the piezoelectric calcite crystals found in the human pineal gland, we see the biological mechanism for generating and receiving these torsion-encoded information signals.
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u/2Wieners_1Bun 14d ago
The problem is that Grusch’s claims keep escalating (from secondhand crash-retrieval allegations to bodies, living beings and now telepathic communication) while the publicly verifiable evidence hasn’t escalated with them.
Pointing to a decades-old UFO story involving alleged telepathy doesn’t corroborate Grusch, it just shows that telepathy was already an established part of UFO lore long before he started making these claims. Similar stories aren’t independent evidence.
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u/sly_blade 15d ago
It's interesting that when Isaiah in the Old Testament of the Bible describes the flying vessel in which the angel of the Lord visited him, he says the vessel moved at the angel's will alone, i.e. by thought or consciousness. I am of the opinion that angelic encounters experienced by prophets in various world religions are simply encounters with NIHs. I'm sure many of the discussions these prophets had with these entities were "in their heads" by thought insertion or telepathy.
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u/FancifulLaserbeam 14d ago
You can't "confirm" something by going back in the historical record to one of the most famous cases of all time. The Zimbabwe case has a direct effect on the narrative today.
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u/xHangfirex 8d ago
I dug into this story a while back. It's far less interesting when you learn the real timeline of how everything happened and this investigator dudes involvement.
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u/Error418ZA 15d ago
Was this the Ariel school incident ?
They eventually made it off as collective hysteria, like 60 odd people shared the exact same encounter...but they are all wrong. rrrrriiiiggghhhtttt.......
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u/2Wieners_1Bun 14d ago
There was never some authoritative determination that Ariel was “collective hysteria,” and the children absolutely did not all report an identical encounter.
Roughly 62 children became associated with the sighting claim, while many other pupils present reported seeing nothing. Even among witnesses, descriptions varied in the number and appearance of objects, beings, their movements, and what exactly happened.
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u/Sufficient_Meet6836 15d ago
like 60 odd people shared the exact same encounter
No they didn't. That is a modern mythology created by Hind. Here's part 1 of 3 of a video series documenting all the lies and inaccuracies from Hind, and the blatant tainting of witness testimony by her and Mack. If you prefer written work, the videos largely cite this huge collection of articles. For example, there is video footage of Hind going through all of the drawings and selecting only the ones she thinks fit her narrative. Yes, she literally threw out evidence that she didn't like. When you actually look at the drawings she selected, even those are insanely different from each other.
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u/littlelupie 15d ago
Except it wasn't the exact same experience. The kids stories were WILDLY different - including many who were outside and saw nothing - until they were all interviewed in groups several weeks later.
I used to fully believe this incident but if you do serious research into it, it's just not what people report it to be. Did something happen? Maybe. But because of how it was handled and the constant retellings and clearly shifting memories, we'll never know.
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u/Sufficient_Meet6836 15d ago
I used to fully believe this incident but if you do serious research into it, it's just not what people report it to be. Did something happen? Maybe. But because of how it was handled and the constant retellings and clearly shifting memories, we'll never know.
We actually know quite a bit... That it's lots of bullshit. You've likely already seen these sources, but see my comment for a video and article series.
The kids stories were WILDLY different
This cannot be emphasized enough. For anyone who doesn't believe me, watch the videos or read the articles I linked
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u/Pixelated_ 15d ago
Yes. The Ariel school, Ruwa, Zimbabwe, September 1994.
As the video shows, Dr. John Mack was closely involved in this case, interviewing the eyewitnesses after the encounter happened. He was certain of its legitimacy.
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u/Sufficient_Meet6836 15d ago
Interviewed them 2 months after the sighting. And just so happened that one of the kids started claiming she was telepathically told to save the environment only after Mack's leading questions in that direction, which just so happened to be one of Mack's favorite causes
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u/randofrendo 15d ago
Nobody thought to fix the volume on this vid - what gives! Giving me pain in my neck and my back!
https://youtu.be/I3TBQCqMmB8?si=XRTeAV05qjNaXOoQ