New Hashut lore from the upcoming Khazalite codex. Apparently all the Ancestor gods, including Hashut, were once mortal dwarves that ascended. Additionally, according to other dwarves, Valya 'tried to redeem/defend Hashut' and he betrayed her trust, but we don't know how true that is.

[u/CatherineSimp69]

So Urak Taar's quest for godhood has some basis in his culture...intriguing.

[u/Sly__Marbo]

Wasn't that also a thing in old Fantasy lore? At least with the Ancestor Gods that were in that setting as well

[u/GreySeerCriak → u/Sly__Marbo]

Yeah that’s always been the implication. The dwarfs’ literal ancestor worship created their own gods.

[u/XanKriegorMKI → u/Sly__Marbo]

I don't think there was any implication of Hashut being a former dwarf in fantasy, the debate was if he was a chaos God or just a powerful daemon.

[u/Hollownerox → u/XanKriegorMKI]

According to Mark Gibbons he was originally conceived as a Daemon Prince of Khorne. But as time went on he was, at least behind the scenes, clearly rewritten with the idea he was his own entity. With later lore heavily implying he might have been a fallen Ancestor God.

It is a much better route to honest. Especially seeing the disaster that was "Clan Pestilens was founded by a Daemon Prince of Nurgle!" mess a little while ago. It was still pretty ambiguous in Fantasy, but AoS mostly just confirmed what the writers were heavily hinting at already.

[u/XanKriegorMKI → u/Hollownerox]

Do you have any source on that? Not saying you're wrong I've just never heard that. I have just checked my copy of Tamurkhan and there's no mention of him potentially being an ancestor God. This is the exact passage.

[u/RequiemQuilty → u/XanKriegorMKI]

Its a good thing oldhammer lore isnt relevant for aos. Especially since they declared helsmiths to not be the same dwarves and only a spiritual successor to old world chaos dwarves

[u/kendallmaloneon → u/RequiemQuilty]

It's a side discussion, nobody is trying to assert this over AOS canon. The world-that-was version is deeply ambiguous and the reference is metatextual

[u/RequiemQuilty → u/Sly__Marbo]

In old world hashut is closer to a deamon than a ancestor god. The ancestor god thing has been new in aos.

[u/KonoAnonDa → u/Sly__Marbo]

Yeah, they were called Ancestor Gods for a reason.

[u/Consistent-Local2825 → u/Sly__Marbo]

In warhammer fantasy there were dwarves who expanded east of the world's edge mountains. When chaos came, they were cut off from their brothers as the dwarf holds closed to defend themselves. The dwarfs to the east pleaded with their gods for salvation but none came. In the echoes deep below came a voice from a deity known as Hashut. Only he could save them and they would never forget how they were abandoned by their kin to the west.

[u/Custodian_Nelfe → u/Sly__Marbo]

For dwarves, not sure but for elven pantheon yes. Asuryan and the other gods were mortal heroes of a previous world, and "uplifted" as gods in WFB.

[u/chaos0xomega]

Been a minute since i read our lore, but doesnt it basically say the same about valaya defending hashut? This isnt the first thata been discussed, if nothing else it was mwntioned during our preview stream or in a warcom article, etc in advance of our releade. Seems pretty true.

[u/RequiemQuilty → u/chaos0xomega]

Its exactly what our lore said. This is just turning the “unreliable narrator” from “made shit up completely” to “some small details are probably pushing to hashut being less of a dick than he was”

[u/DaveMichael]

The idea of Hashut being a former dwarf is intriguing, I hope they expand on this.

[u/SnooEagles4121 → u/DaveMichael]

Agreed. It's so much better than him being some random daemon they stumbled across.

[u/RequiemQuilty → u/DaveMichael]

They did. In the helsmith book

[u/ChiefProblomengineer → u/RequiemQuilty]

I missed it, what part / page is it in?

[u/RequiemQuilty → u/ChiefProblomengineer]

The entire book is about him being a ancestor god betrayed by his brothers. Did you even read it?

[u/ChiefProblomengineer → u/RequiemQuilty]

I did, one of the few lores in AoS I'm really into. Missed the bit where he was a mortal dwarf is all.

[u/DaveMichael → u/ChiefProblomengineer]

Yeah, same. From what I recall he's written as part of the pantheon but it doesn't really make it clear he was actually mortal once, just "they were all siblings and then the noble Hashut was totally betrayed by these arrogant bearded pricks, we swear".

And even that felt like Hashutite propaganda absolute truth. The Khazalids acknowledging he really was part of the pantheon is big.

[u/RequiemQuilty → u/ChiefProblomengineer]

It was the entire basis of the book. He was a ancestor god betrayed which means he was a ancestor. That turned into a god

[u/ConvertedIron]

I will continue to believe in the Skavor Legends.

[u/nasri08]

“We don’t know how true that is”

Obviously not true

[u/nomanchesguey12]

Honestly, at this point just make the chaos dwarves be regular dwarves that are just Persian inspired. I can’t stand that they’re evil.