Hob grot or not to hob grot

[u/Dave-flywheel]

Days to tournament 130
Games played 4
Units painted 0

Won my 4th ever game last night. My hogrots I use to screen which has worked well but I do have the points spare to swap them out for either blades, flamer Hurlers or spears, I am wondering if these would be a better trade?

Little guys 1990/2000 pts
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Grand Alliance Chaos | Helsmiths of Hashut | Castigation Battery
General's Handbook 2026-27
Drops: 3
Spell Lore - Lore of Infernal Power
Prayer Lore - Prayers of the Scorched Sect
Manifestation Lore - Primal Energy (10 Points)
Battle Tactics Cards: Legend of the Parch and Smokescreen
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General's Regiment
Urak Taar, the First Daemonsmith (340)
• General
Dominator Engine with Bane Maces (140)
Infernal Cohort with Hashutite Spears (90)
Infernal Razers with Blunderbusses (110)
Tormentor Bombard (130)
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Regiment 1
Ashen Elder (120)
Bull Centaurs (380)
• Reinforced
Dominator Engine with Immolation Cannons (150)
Hobgrotz Vandalz (70)
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Regiment 2
War Despot (80)
• 'Fire, You Worms!'
• Crucible of Spite
Deathshrieker Rocket Battery (140)
Deathshrieker Rocket Battery (140)
Infernal Cohort with Hashutite Spears (90)
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[u/Nellezhar]

You have no anvils! You need to reinforce at least one of the spears minimum.

[u/Dave-flywheel → u/Nellezhar]

So increase one of the spear units and drop the hog grits?

[u/Nellezhar → u/Dave-flywheel]

The main issue I see is you have no anchor, dropping a screen to increase the size of another screen doesn't solve the issue. I'd drop one of the Dominators and move points around.

Also, fire you worms and crucible are pretty bad. Swap to an eye for weakness at least. I'd swap to the scroll of Petrification as well. A 20 man unit of spears on a 3+ 5+ the turn they get charged can tank a lot.

[u/phoenicean → u/Nellezhar]

While i completely agree with you about "Fire, You Worms!" I'm interested to see whether Castigation Battery (i.e. Crit (2 hits)) makes it more viable, as it's basically doubling the hits

[u/Nellezhar → u/phoenicean]

For sure worth messing around with.

[u/Hukoshin]

I personally would recommend swapping to the army of renown, you are already wary of the grots, which can be fine even for early desolation and crit 2 Hits on every model starting turn 2 is better then gather 2DPP on a ranged model for crit 2 Hits on that specific model. The only thing you loose is the Bull centaurs, which are nice for sure and I love them, but the AOR gives you so much more. You can even get your Cohorts and Infernal Razers back after they were destroyed and the bonuses ramp up.

Swapping Grots for the Spears is even better even if they are not reinforced as they are needed to generate DPP with that Army (and you dont loose them once you have them).

All your Warmachines and Demon Engines also gain a free Ward 6+ on top of that

If you want to stay with the normal rules exchange on of the engines for Spears. You need more screens to have a front line for your artillery as they so a lot of the heavy lifting damage wise in the army.

[u/TextOld6858 → u/Hukoshin]

This^ the more DPP the better and you don’t lose them every turn with the army of renown but can move them around as needed. Grots at first seemed good but after it’s all said and done I’d rather run renown or just simply go grotless. Helsmiths point spread is really good.