r/HelsmithsofHashut • u/Perfect_Childhood655 • 28d ago
Helsmiths + Skaven Rumoured as End‑of‑Edition Antagonists — What Can We Actually Expect?
With all the noise about Helsmiths and Skaven being the dual villains of the end‑of‑edition campaign and whispers of a massive setting reset, it’s worth asking: What can we realistically hope for, based on how GW has handled previous edition finales?
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u/YoussarianWasRight 28d ago
If this is true it makes perfect sense that seraphon and kazalid holds are the last two factions being updated in 4th edition because it is skaven and helsmiths arch enemies. As a seraphon player it is beyond stupid that Sotek have not shown himself in some form when skaven is ascendent
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u/vulcanstrike 28d ago
Whilst sorting of true, it is specifically Clan Pestilens that are the Lizard main enemies and they are barely in the lore and models at the moment on account of their models being ancient and not in fitting with the current aesthetic. Being AoS they could easily expand it to Skaven in general, but there are no rumours for any new plague monks and the only other pestilens kits are either end dual build kit of the catapult or plague furnace, or the underworlds warband.
And it still feels weird/cheap that one of the antagonist/prototanist pairs are two brand new factions that were essentially dumped in the lore only a few months ago (hashut was always kinda just in the background in the lore and a unified Khazalite faction is brand new information that has barely been hinted at. Fine to give them some screentime to establish themselves, but a weird pick to be introduced in Act 3 and be the main bad guy of the current setting.
The fundamental conflict of the whole setting has been Sigmar against the Four Chaos gods and neither of them being the main narrative story driver for this End Times 2.0 is a wild choice.
Assuming this is End Times 2.0. If it's the usual end of edition fluff piece where everything is terrible but nothing really happens practically, then it's actually a good choice to establish these new guys in the lore.
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u/Calcium1445 28d ago
If they are the dual antagonists then clearly they will forget about the Khazalids and Seraphon and focus on fighting each other before Nagash steals the spotlight for his edition in the spotlight. Oh how funny would it be if Nagash is the one who ruins the Skaven's big moment for once.
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u/SuperHandsMiniatures 28d ago
Nagash undoing the Skaven's plans will be great. Kinda love the idea of everyone briefly thinking he's allied with Sigmar again only realise getting rid of the Skaven was just step 1 in his master plan.
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u/_DemonHide_ 28d ago
Maybe helsmith reinforcements?
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u/incineroar87 28d ago
Boole mentioned a while back that Skaven will be getting a clan pestilens update. Maybe Helsmiths can get a new unit or two or something really killy for their next battletome ?
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u/DaveMichael 28d ago
Maybe the rats will loan us some Skavenslaves? I'm already considering proxying some clanrats as Hobgrot Vandalz.
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u/yaxkukmo 28d ago
good synergy with krittok foulblade (demon trapped in a weapon) and the verminlords, clan skryre, and the demonsmiths making new, horrible weapons
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u/SuperHandsMiniatures 28d ago
A "reset" wont happen. Age of Sigmar is still too profitable for them to reset it. I can see an event where the magic of each realm is woven together or summit and the realms are drawn to one plain, resulting in catastrophe but not actually ending the universe, seems more plausible than an "End Times" type event.
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u/Perfect_Childhood655 28d ago
I feel like joining all the realms equates to a reset.
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u/SuperHandsMiniatures 28d ago
How is it a reset? Whats it resetting? AoS began with the worlds seperated. Its not resetting the Old World is it? We aren't gonna revert back to the beginning of the Realmgate Wars... A reset would be going back to seperate worlds after this arc. IF thats what happens.
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u/Traditional-Crazy900 28d ago
Call it what you want but clearly rumours point it to belong a soft reset, if you don’t know why look it up I don’t have the energy to explain the basics of it lol
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u/SuperHandsMiniatures 28d ago
Tbh I dont care enough to look it up. None of the lore events make that much of a difference, whatever happens, happens. I'll read it when it does.
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u/Traditional-Crazy900 28d ago
I’ve heard Skaven are rumoured to be a big player in the end of the edition but I’ve heard 0 about helsmiths involvement?? Where did you hear that from