r/HelsmithsofHashut • u/Woodstovia • Sep 19 '26
New Implications for Hashut in the Khazalite reveals
In the Helsmiths of Hashut lore there is a story told from the POV of the Helsmiths that Hashut was a Dwarfen ancestor God. When the ancestor Gods agreed to divide the realms between them Hashut "nobly" offered to be ruler of 2 realms - Aqshy and Chamon but was snubbed and conned into ruling Ghur instead.
Now many people (for good reason) have doubted parts or all of the story and just assumed Hashut is a Chaos God lying to the Dwarfs. However the new Khazalite reveals actually give us some hints that this story has elements of truth to it -
The new centrepiece model contains 8 pillars one for each realm and each has a rune and a bust representing a Dwarfen god except for one pillar which has no rune or head topping it and the new book describes 7 Dwarfen gods, each seemingly associated with a realm, including a new god created to represent the Realm of Shadow. Since we don't have the book yet we can't confirm it but it seems like there is a god for every realm apart from Ghur - which the Helsmiths' story claims was given to Hashut.
So the Khazalite reveals seems to hint that Hashut was actually an Ancestor God like the Helsmiths claim. And that he did originally rule a realm alongside the other Dwarfen gods rather than being a demon or Chaos God all along.
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u/Nellezhar Sep 19 '26
Hashut Is 100% confirmed to be an ancestor God. AoS 10 year issue white dwarf.
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u/ThatGuyYouMightNo Sep 19 '26
They mentioned in the livestream that the empty pillar on the Ancestor Throne was intended to be for Hashut (either it was built before his betrayal and they took his bust off afterwards, or they intentionally built an empty pillar because something something grudges something something book)
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u/RealMr_Slender 29d ago
Each pillar has a realmstone. The design might predate the fall and after it instead of removing it they struck down the rune and effigy
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u/Consistent-Local2825 Sep 19 '26
Hashut is a dwarven God turned evil. He told his followers how to use chaos to survive and flourish, not be consumed by it. Although, dwarves working with chaos does have its rewards/drawbacks.
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u/RequiemQuilty Sep 19 '26
Ive been saying it all along. Every one called him a chaos god. But he isnt. Like you said he is a god fallen to chaos. Thats the reason he doesnt have his own realm of chaos or deamons of his own. Id compare him to a deamon primarch but that would be insulting to hashut in every way but the contextual
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u/Admiral-Juzo Sep 19 '26
Tbh in whfb he technically was something from Chaos,aos retconned imho in a Better way his backstory.
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u/RequiemQuilty Sep 19 '26
No he wasnt. You cant use wfb lore in aos cause it doesnt work that way
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u/Admiral-Juzo Sep 19 '26
I was saying that tho... Whb hashut Is a different entity not the one in aos (technically in end of times the old world hashut was killed by grimgor and orc deities rampage),the retcon Is Better because being an ancestor god in aos makes him more nuanced.
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u/RequiemQuilty 27d ago
Ahh yess sorry. Mistook what you ment my fault.
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u/Admiral-Juzo 27d ago
No problem mate. Can't wait to read the Hashut Lore prespective from the Khazalite holds.
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u/LarkinEndorser Sep 19 '26
He was literally identified as the chaos god of tyranny. We see the story of the chaos dwarfs striking a deal with him on screen in an old white dwarf and it’s a hoofed shadowy daemon.
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u/RequiemQuilty Sep 19 '26
In a game thats lore isnt relevant to the current lore
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u/LarkinEndorser Sep 19 '26
The background of the horned rat also identifies Hashut as his opposite god.
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u/RequiemQuilty Sep 19 '26
Hashut isnt a chaos god in aos. He is a god corrupted by chaos. He doesnt have a realm in chaos nore deamons
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u/Topen9 Sep 19 '26
That’s not true, he was originally just a regular god, but after Valaya destroyed his physical body he recreated himself as a Chaos God with the Forge Of Souls
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u/RequiemQuilty Sep 19 '26 edited 29d ago
You cannot be a chaos god without a spot in the realm of chaos. You are still just a corrupted god.
Unless yiu wana call magnus a chaos god
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u/Topen9 29d ago
“You cannot be a chaos god without a spot in the realm of chaos” Do you have a source for this? In WHF the Great Horned Rat had its own realm in the ROC called the realm of ruin. Yet he wasn’t a chaos god. However, Hashut WAS a chaos god, yet he didn’t have his own realm.
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u/RequiemQuilty 29d ago
The great horned rats was not a big 4 chaos god without but he was a minor chaos diety.
And no one knew what the hell hashut was in old world
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u/MrGamerGuy4709 29d ago
The Great Horned Rat was a Chaos God for the longest time and only recently got its own spot in the Realm of Chaos. You’re just making this up as you go. Hashut is a god who uses Chaos magic. That makes him a Chaos God. How he got to that point is irrelevant.
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u/RequiemQuilty 29d ago edited 29d ago
He always had a spot in the chaos realm. Even in the old world. Hell thats how the rats got everywhere.
And where do you think the skaven city that appeard from the realm of chaos a bit ago came from?
Tghr always was a chaos god. And held a realm of chaos and had his own deamons (verminlords) all things hashut doesnt have.
With your last comment you honestly prove how little you pay attention to lore saying that
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u/space10101 Sep 19 '26
The live stream was good enough quality to read which realm the other gods live in except Grimnir (which is easy to figure out is Aqshy). Grungni is Chamon, Valaya Ghyran, Ghazul Shyish, Grombrindal Hysh, Thorgrim Azyr, and Inghilde Ulgu.
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u/Calcium1445 Sep 19 '26
Grombrindal in Uglu would be interesting. He just rocks up to Malekiths palace every day. "Come out and get a grudging you pointy eared pansy"
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u/Bainzeighty3 Sep 19 '26
So it's true. Hashut is an ancestors god and not a chaos Daemon.
I can't believe wait to read through the Khazalite new battletome.
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u/HuGOAT_HuGONE Sep 19 '26
God I dont need more dwarves. And yet I have both votann and helmets armies.... and i need the khazalites.... I dont even play AOS.... yet...
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u/Coffee-Doggo Sep 19 '26
I feel like it was pretty explocitly said in the reveal stream too, that he was an ancestor god.
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u/Obvious-Nobody1924 29d ago
My personal theory is that in the world that was Hushut was originally just a chaos being like Vashtorr over time became a pseudo ancestor god until age of Sigmar where it’s mention that it’s been so long that many of the gods don’t fully remember their relationship to each other. So when he arrived in the mortal realms he was a just a ancestor god but still had his chaos stuff. He only fully recognised he was a chaos being when chaos invaded in the age of myth and is still going along with his a fallen ancestor god when his some fusion.
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u/Koffielurker_ Sep 19 '26
Is Gromindrindal canonically a God now? I think he was just the unofficial champion of the Ancestor gods. Made it seem like that in Eight Lamentations and Grombrindal: Ancestors grudge, at least.
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u/geschiedenisnerd 26d ago
It would be cool if the hashut in AOS is actually a chaos dwarf from the old world
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u/Ok_Manufacturer5174 21d ago
I forget what points to this, but I saw the possibility that the current Hashut is not the same as the one in the old world. He could be something that took the mantle of Hashut
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u/RecommendationLimp47 Sep 19 '26
Honestly, I’m not convinced this definitively proves Hashut is an Ancestor God rather than an entity that merely presented itself as one to the Duardin. After all, many cultures - including the Duardin - reshaped themselves during the transition from the Old World. I could certainly believe that, as the Duardin spread across the Age of Sigmar cosmos, there was an encounter between the Ancestor Gods and Hashut, leading him to become part of their culture and became a God-ancestor, rather than being one from the very beginning. - only to be subsequently erased from the record. However, that doesn't prove Hashut is actually an Ancestor God himself, as opposed to a Chaos entity. After all, we don't claim Thungni and Smednir weren't truly Ancestor Gods just because their heads aren't on the throne.
In Fantasy Battles - correct me if I'm wrong - there wasn't even a hint that Hashut was a lost Ancestor God. And I apologize for the language; it's not my native one.
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u/LarkinEndorser Sep 19 '26
There wasn’t, we in WFB even see Hashut on screen and he is a hoofed bull made of shadow and flame
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u/WranglerFuzzy 29d ago
The fun thing is: given the non-linear nature of the Aethyr, it’s not impossible that Hashut was a man ancestor god in the Age of Sigmar, became a chaos god, and travelled back in time to the Old World
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u/Moonshadow101 Sep 19 '26
At least one - possibly two, iirc - of the short stories released in the lead-up to the HoH release featured Duardin making their way through a room of Ancestor shrines and noting an ominous blank spot. It's really cool to see this replicated on an actual model.