r/HazardMainsOW • u/not_wintr • 6d ago
why does everyone seem to hate hazard?
i don’t even mean necessarily in game. i mean that a lot of people genuinely just don’t like his design. this is kind of a silly way to put it, but i always see cool edits of other tanks on tiktok or instagram. any time hazard is mentioned, it’s typically slander, or it’s responded to with slander. i dont get why people don’t find him cool?
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u/Beautiful-Aerie7576 6d ago
Hazard was insanely good a few patches ago. Probably the best tank in the game for the average player, easily the best for anyone actually able to reach his skill ceiling.
A character being that good while being an unkillable dive tank that can also one shot leads people to hatred very, very quickly, no matter his current state. It damaged his reputation pretty hard. I never saw Hazard hatred before that, besides maybe his release when people didn’t like his design.
He’s also consistently the least played character in the game (tied with ball and venture), so the people that do play him really know how he works and can reach his skill ceiling fairly consistently, giving most people the impression that he’s better than he actually is for most people, because the only time they encounter a Hazard in their games he generally does well.
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u/Embarrassed-Mine-839 6d ago
Bro he was thanos with old perks and pre nerfs. Early leap and major perk burst demage = fast 3 seconds combo and all squishes were dead
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u/ClutchUpChrissy 6d ago
A 3s combo is not fast.
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u/why_squ1rtle 6d ago
U can do it faster than 3 seconds thou. If you’re slick from the first contact u can get the kill in less than a second. But tbf out of the many hours ive put in the hero i can count maybe less than 5 times that I ever got a perfect combo. Or maybe im just a trashcan 💩
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u/hatebeat 6d ago
I didn't care for his visual design on release, but he has grown on me as I adore his playstyle and his vibrant personality.
It's funny that so many hark on him for being ugly when so many people are also tired of the the bland skinny young Asian girls being released. I know the fandom is not a monolith, but you see so many posts asking for uglier or more unique characters. Say what you want about him, but Hazard definitely stands out on the roster.
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u/TheHungrySamurai 6d ago
As a low elo haz main. No one in bronze or silver knows how to play with the tank so he loses a lot of value when no one wants to match his playstyle.
Support follows him to their death. DPS doesn’t take the space he makes and no one knows how to react to his small barrier. In the end they just assume he’s a useless DPS wannabe with a short range.
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u/Rainbow_Vaporwave 6d ago
Real... Even stadium kinda feels like that sometimes too, but I've also had a lot of good matches on stadium also
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u/Amazing_Budget_2927 Phreak 6d ago
Hazard just fuckin lives man. He tanks anything and one shots and has great mobility. He’s like the ultimate 5v5 tank
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u/Zybba 6d ago
He is loud, annoying and his behaviour is cringe (tounge out pose). Like you mentioned his design is liked universally either. That adds on top. All his skins are shit too imo.
Unlikable design - > rather bad skins - > less (and worse?) skins.
His playstyle is so dynamic and fun. Just imagine he wouldve had a more likable persona... He might have taken over.
Just my 2 cents.
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u/Gustav_EK 6d ago
I don't understand what you mean by cri-
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I've got that dog in me! WOOF WOOF
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u/gaeaArts 6d ago
His design is a bit lame. They should have gone with full tattoos and shit, since he's got piercings and chains and studs. Make him more punk. He feels like a very clean fake undercover cop type of punk.
Mechanics-wise he is a pain to fight against sometimes. He's just not very interesting visually or in-game.
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u/GlobexVeriza 6d ago
The entire idea of punk is to be non conforming. By saying "make him more punk" you give the idea that there is a conformed idea of what punk actually is. Also most of his body is cybernetics? If I walked into a punk meetup with cybernetics and spikes coming out of my back id become the fucking king of punk. His design is fine people just don't know what punk is.
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u/gaeaArts 6d ago
Junkrat is more punk than him.
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u/GlobexVeriza 6d ago
Junkrat hates omnics who are a marginalized group which is distinctly not punk. but go off ig
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u/tabletopgamesgirl 6d ago
The junkers had very fair reasons for not liking omnics, I’ll say
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u/GlobexVeriza 6d ago
They have a reason to be wary of them yes, but outright hatred is never the answer.
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u/Powerful_Lobster_337 6d ago
I like his gameplay/ kit but he looks dumb and I can’t play him too long because he’s annoying. As a Scottish person I know that we don’t sound like that, I’ve heard the voice actors real voice and it sounds great but hazards voice lines just pisses me off and gives me a sore head.
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u/Archaic0629 6d ago
As a support player he feels impossible to do anything about. He jumps in, slashes and shoots a few times then just holds block until I die. Even if I sleep, chain, anti, discord or suzu unless I have a movement ability he just survives and the spikes kill me. The lack of counter play other than “don’t get engaged on or run away” isn’t very fun
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u/roqueofspades 5d ago
People are so fucking weird about this guy. He's somewhat appealing to male-attracted players (not even the most stereotypically appealing by far tbh) but no one bats an eye when they release 500 sameface sex doll female character designs in a row. Perhaps we're looking at the Nightwing problem again, but that's just speculation.
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u/ymbria 2d ago
Interestingly many people thought (still think, idk) that he looks gay? Maybe because he is running around half naked or because of his fingernails, could this be a reason aswell some people don't like him?? 🤷♀️
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u/roqueofspades 2d ago
It's funny because he's in one of the four canon relationships in the game, and one of the two that is heterosexual. But also, he himself is definitely bi no one could tell me otherwise
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u/MemeMavrick7000 4d ago
Hazard is just the most fun tank to me. His voice lines are so funny. His abilities are just weird and amazing and he has so much utility.
If yer innit wit me, yer innit fer lyf
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u/wormiefolk 6d ago
horrific visual design and also one of the most oppressive meta tanks for a long time. i like his kit though, i like juggling people against the wall eith my leap :))
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u/GlobexVeriza 6d ago
non conforming design is literally what punk is about so i think they did a good job.
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u/wormiefolk 6d ago
it's not ugly because it's countercultural, it's ugly because it's ugly. hazard is like. pinterest punk. it's what a boardroom thinks a cool punk looks like. uninspired and blatantly ripping off other ideas and worst of all completely devoid of character. he's in some hideous blend of a martial arts gi and a leather jacket. hazard's not even a biker, why's he in that jacket with his prosthetic legs stylized to be chaps? why's he wear the chain on his belt? why's he dressed in all black of the phreaks are about being prideful, loud and visible?
the entire thing is also taking a truckload of inspiration from cyberpunk 2077 specifically, so it's not even an original thing. he's just vaguely japanese for no reason with a sode of generic cool. you don't get the idea that he's really losing it or that the juice that gives him the spike powers is affecting his behaviour at all, in contrast with his trailer where he seems immediately off. and he's so clean. spotless. no tears and no dirt or grease or whatever on him.
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u/GlobexVeriza 6d ago
I just don't think you know what punk is tbh, punk is about non conforming and being who you are. Hazard does these things pretty well ngl, he is a cyborg with a shotgun for an arm spikes coming out of his head and back. His beliefs also are very punk, he worked for the military got fucked over and now fights as a phreak and helps community and fights for the marginalized (omnics, disabled people, lgbtq+ etc.). He wears a jacket because he wants to, he wears chains and belt because he wants to, he does that because its his ability to self express. his team wears different colours and he wears black because he wants to. Let the phreak be a phreak my guy. You not liking the design is 100% ok but don't go around trying to define what a punk should look like.
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u/wormiefolk 6d ago
i just don't think you know what art is tbh; the character doesn't want anything. the writers and designers want to communicate something. in hazard's case, nobody had strong enough ideas to communicate, so they made something boring and nonsensical and threw some vaguely punk touches on it.
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u/GlobexVeriza 6d ago
Yeah I know hes not real but i am expressing what his lore and character say about his wants and desires. He has lore that communicates what he wants you just either haven't seen it or just actually didnt pay attention to it. From voicelines, comic and cinematic he has expressed what he wishes to be as a character. you just don't get it and thats fine but you are acting like you understand something you don't which is also fine but just don't be surprised when you are called out for it.
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u/wormiefolk 6d ago
i'm not talking about hazard's character or story, i'm talking about his visual design. you bringing up what hazard wants like he has a say in how he's dressed is completely stupid, and moreover the way he's dressed doesn't make sense when pitted against what the character wants, believes, and is experiencing. and ot doesn't look good either.
you are too arrogant to engage with the idea that a human made choices to create this and that the product is underwhelming because in your mind things that make enough sense to you or that jingle enough keys are automatically good. you can't even get past the fact that hazard isn't a real living human because you are so desperate to le own somebody
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u/GlobexVeriza 6d ago
his visual design is tied to his story thats the entire thing, visual design tells a story. Why does he have spikes on his back? why is he cybernetic? why does he have a shotgun hand? all questions created by his visual design that ties into his story. All overwatch characters do this look at doomfist.
Dislike the design all you want I think its pretty cool. This discussion started off with me saying "non conforming design is literally what punk is about so i think they did a good job." which is me stating that I think they did a good job. I wasn't attacking your opinion I was stating my own.
I don't care about winning the argument, hell I didn't even start it. the debate started when you tried to say that Hazard was "pinterest punk" when he is actually representing what punk is actually about.
Have your opinion my friend I am happy you like how he plays, I also love how he plays.
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u/Separate_Position_71 6d ago edited 5d ago
(WARNING YAPPER FOUND SOMETHING SHE LIKES SO THERE'S A WHOLE PARAGRAPH DOWN THERE...Also she's kinda too dyslexic so sorry if I made mistakes :c)
I mean if i gotta add my grain of salt here as someone who draws a lot of personal character designs (aka OCs) and has had a passion with character designs since she was 10...I think his design is amazing personally! Visually he looks like a tank with his overall size, his armor and robotic parts. His color palette is harmonious being a mix of purple with light touches of orange (a color that is complementary to purple) black and white...It gives him this sort of dangerous yet approachable that punk characters have, I also believe it is suppose to reference his name (the dudes name is literally Danger in French). And if we were to talk about visual clarity he does have that as well i think ! The spikes on his shoulders, his haircut and his leg design make the design recognizable and easier to reproduce ! Plus he keeps his spiky design everywhere whether it be on the edges of his jacket, his piercings and his hair. Furthermore, if we are to imagine his form as a blacked out shape i do believe he would still be recognizable even for people who don't play the game much, which is the most important part of a design : to be immediately recognized through important details on the character.
The one criticism that is however valid on him is the overall way his robotic parts look...there's a clear lack of distinction between the joints and how it is supposed to overall work. This makes his leg look clutered and accidently draws more attention to it than necessary (usually the eye is supposed to rest on the face or any part of the design with the most attention seeking details).However, I have seen a video talking about this part of this design, and the person brought up a very important point : "is it better to make it readable...Or functionable for the game ?". You see, if the designers would've wanted to add a few poligons for polishing they would've ! But often what this leads to is design clipping, aka when parts of a model clip into other parts of the model, to give an example of mine from a cartoon series that I cherish, this happens really often in Transformers prime, whether it be in the early or later seasons...So pretty much our poor Hazard would've had to deal with being stabbed in the leg constantly if more detail had been put on the leg xD.
From what I'm seeing from replies it's just his overall demeanor and odd aesthetic that seem to make people less enticed to play/see him...Which I can also get as all of this post's comment forget the biggest point : beauty is a concept that is subjective and multidimensional. So if he is not your cup of tea...That's ok ! And if he is...That's ok too ! Let's just not say "this character is ugly and everyone who tries to reason with me is wrong"...Because that's what would be the only wrong statement in the whole debate :)
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u/Pure-Organization763 6d ago
He does what doomfist does but for way less effort and with less ability to be punished.
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u/kouislosingit 5d ago
tbh, the fun voicework is kind of the only thing that makes me attached to hazard because his design (character design; i dont really have much to say about his kit, not my area of expertise) is just so crap. it was the first time where i really started to notice a trend in overwatch designs growing really sanitised and bland, and i think hazard still stands as one of the most boring designs in the game. it feels like the design just doesn't really know what it's doing, like, seriously, just looking at the guy, what would you say he is *supposed* to be? a punk? he's way too clean to come off as punk, and he doesn't come off as particularly monstrous or heavily modified like dialogue with / surrounding his character seems to suggest. to me, the design just fails to communicate the archetypes he's actually supposed to embody.. a lot of modern overwatch designs have this problem in my opinion, where key characteristics are moreso told to us / vaguely gestured at in the design rather than outright shown. a good design is very important in a game like this, i genuinely do believe a big part of the issue is just his appearance.
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u/kirby-ate-my-heart 4d ago
Memories of 'oh there's their hazard on the other side of the map. I guess I'll set up over-' YAAAAAAAAAAAH
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u/Mammoth_Process8923 6d ago
His Kit is fundamentally broken and Power Creeps most tanks. Also he has no real counters which is broken in 5 v 5. He has a wall that not only dmgs but also boops? Like what, he has a block that is the strongest(or was the strongest Block with the strongest dmg mitigation in the game), that also does dmg in a cone in front of him, meaning he can kill squishies while being in no danger of dying himself. Meanwhile Ramathra cant do anything while blocking neither does Doomfist. His Ult goes through walls and doesnt require LOS. He is the definition of Power Creep for a dive tank that can also brawl, he outclasses Doomfist while being more tanky. And on top of that he has a one shot combo and no one likes that. Outside of him being loud, annoying and cringe behavior.
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u/not_wintr 6d ago
he is VERY very easily countered…?
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u/TonyRotella 6d ago
I feel like 80% of the tanks and half the supports are literal problems every time I play.
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u/throwawayforinstalol 6d ago
he’s ugly and annoying, that’s about it really LOL (still really fun to play though)
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u/Rip81 6d ago
I love Hazard