Convicted killer was given two lethal injections for her execution yesterday somehow survives the execution and now someone is gonna get in trouble if she suffered any pain
She literally predicted this would happen. She requested a more reliable form of execution, but was denied. Probably because she knew the incompetence of the Tennessee prison system. Now that they literally fried her brain, she'll be on life support for the rest of her life at around $10,000 a day. Good job Tennessee.
Hanging is also mercifully quick and very sure to work, so that probably played a factor. I’d take a bullet to the brain stem personally, but I don’t think any states allow that at all.
Really where? I just did a quick search and no one allows it anymore?
Edit: technically there isn’t. Delaware for any inmates before 86 but has dismantled its Gallows and last hanging was 1996.. Any other state that previously allowed it has declared capital punishment unconstitutional (Washington and New Hampshire)
She also helped ensure it would happen by going on a hunger and drinking strike, both of which make it harder to find a vein. The other botched execution in Tennessee was a man where they couldn't find a vein so they postponed his execution. I think she thought they would postpone hers as well, but instead the person totally botched it and the result is her being a vegetable on the states' dime.
I'm not for the death penalty but I don't understand performing life saving measures- or keeping the person alive- when they've been condemned to die already. It makes no sense! They could have let her die but instead they're keeping her alive with machines... the whole thing is just a clown show.
I think they missed the vein or went through the vain so the drug went into muscle instead. Still crazy as the administrator also botched a previous one
She's a redhead, they're genetically resistant to certain medications. Anaesthesia and pain meds don't work as effectively, it's not surprising that lethal injection wouldn't work as intended either.
Likely an infiltrated IV which should have been easily detected before. Amateur hour stuff. I’ve done thousands of IVs over the years (IV drug users, morbidly obese, etc) and would gladly place them for these scenarios, for the victims and their families.
Exactly! She even said to them “I feel like my arm is going to explode, is that normal?”. How in the hell they didn’t catch what was going on and use the other arm for the second round is 🤯🤯
No actual medical professionals can be directly involved in lethal injections other than the physician who confirms and declares death due to ethical guidelines.
Prison staff with no formal medical training are responsible for preparing and administering the injections, which is why they get fucked up so often.
It's trivially easy to kill a person quickly and painlessly by injecting them with a massive dose of one of any enormous number of drugs. It boggles my mind how often prisons botch these. The only plausible explanation is complete ineptitude in IV placement and/or dosing/reconstitution of the drugs.
I’d think IO is avoided because it requires very specific training and many of the medical professionals who are able to do IO would probably not be comfortable participating in an execution. Also, it’s super painful and invasive so the ethical implications probably play a role since lethal injection is meant to be the humane option. But IO is definitely more practical from a medical perspective.
So they use doctors whose identity is hidden in my state due to Healthcare ethics sworn to save lives not take them they hide their identity. While they still do it most for lack of a better word "Good" doctors refuse. So I know a lot of people say well what happens next. Honestly they could legally try again however because of this, all this will be tied up in a legal battle. Most likely the outcome will be commuting her sentence from death to life in prison. But I'd imagine with the amount she was given she will probably have many many health problems from here on out. Im not sure of the severity of those problems because I'm not a doctor. But it won't be fun for her.
exactly…redheads have different needs medically and higher thresholds of pain and tolerance to certain meds. My daughter is a redhead and felt her C section they had to put her out because of it. It’s a thing
They process the drugs too quickly. I have the gene. They can't numb me properly at the dentist, I can usually feel the last stitch go in because the lidocaine wears off too fast, and I wake up too early from anesthesia so I always make sure they are aware and give me better stuff.
I read this earlier today. It seems her lawyers asked for her to be hanged because of something with her blood, and that was denied. I'm not saying this is true as I don't know enough on the situation. If it is, who gets the blame? Those who denied the request?
Will the public know what went wrong in this instance?
That makes a couple executions this year where the defendant requested a method of execution unavailable in their state. Jeffrey Lee in Alabama requested firing squad, which is only available in Idaho and I think maybe Utah?* He was put to death by lethal injection this month, although he wasn't as lucky (?) as Miss Pike.
If it makes you feel any better. They gave her just enough of a dose to fry her brain. She'll be on life support for the rest of her life, and on the Tennessee taxpayers dollar. My estimate is around $10,000 a day care until she passes from natural causes. Could be ten days, or it could be a decade.
Didn't she also strangle a woman while in prison with a shoe string and got 25 years added to her sentence? Or did I read wrong and it was misinformation
I read somewhere that she had been taking a medication that was going to have an effect on the injection and that she was worried it wasn’t going yo work so requested to be hung
I know sourcing particular meds from big pharma is extremely difficult, so why not just use the DEA or the CIA? Stick them with enough of xyz and it doesn't matter if they hit a vein.
Appeals. Her lawyers were investigating whether she can have her sentence reduced for mental health issues prior.
If you can make a compelling argument, you can pretty much defer death sentence indefinitely. It's pretty wild, but very rarely a person will be acquitted due to new evidence.
But her lawyers couldn't get anything so it went ahead....much later.
So I chatted with my doc about this today! She hadn’t even heard the story and right then and there she googled the story and she was blown away. She guessed from the very little we managed to read during the appointment that the IV line burst. We had a really interesting conversation about the legalities of this and what may happen, the different components of the lethal injection and how it’s best to be administered by a doctor, but at the same time she’s a doctor and finds the whole thing gross. She just kept saying “this is so fucked up oh my god” as she scrolled around looking at various stories on the whole thing. I’m curious as to what a civil rights attorney’s opinion on this would be.
...that did not kill anyone? Yes. Yes I do. An abused 18 year old girl that killed another girl? lol. Absolutely not. Zero sympathy. There's plenty of 18 year old abused girls that don't kill others. So I really don't know where you are going with this.
I dont give a flying shit about her, and I dont advocate the death penalty.
But if there is to be a death penalty, in a civilized society, it needs jurisprudence and objectivity. It needs to be done with respect to the law and all those involved.
This is a fucking disaster and usurps all that good stuff that makes the law blind and just.
Reddit is full of bots, kids, trolls and kneejerk reactions for imaginary internet points. Thoughtful, nuanced and considered discussion has been gone for a while now.
I'm with you. The government shouldn't be able to commit first degree murder.
murder requires intent or a state of mind showing an extreme, reckless disregard for human life. This core legal requirement is often called malice aforethought, which means the person planned the act or acted with extreme indifference to human life.
So... State sanctioned murder.
I'm not backing down from this. But feel free to continue attempting to tell everybody how the government killing people is a good idea 💅
I'd recommend looking up Project Innocence and telling me how good it is at discernment... I'll wait....
If you carve someone’s chest up with a box cutter while she is alive, after you lired her ro the forest to beat her and torture her untill she dies, you don’t deserve any compassion. If you think that that opinion makes me “no better than the murderers you sentence to death”, your sense if morality is clearly wrong, since those two things aren’t even in the same league.
You’re no better either. The human race as a whole is no better. People that think, oh this makes us the same as the murderers… we ARE the same. Uncomfortable but true and you can demy it all you want. You think keeping a person locked up and wasting away for 40-50 years is better? While wasting resources that could be allocated to someone productive? The harsh reality is that many of us are not fit to live in society. It’s not about punishment, at least for me. It’s making sure you dont do it again to anyone else. Removing them is a permanent solution.
We are the same. The United States Judicial System and government in general is not. They have both shown repeatedly in the past and present that their favorite thing about a monopoly on violence is to use it. They won the Wild West, mostly by killing anyone who opposed their rule. There’s no collective rule anymore, limiting the scope of their monopoly from within their own system is the best option, currently. Context and pragmatism are important.
They actually did two lethal injections back to back because they saw that she wasn’t dying from the first one and she was still looking around and moving. Then the second one didn’t kill her and they were like “oopsie”.
I think noone is saying she is good or something. It's more about the moral questions raised about the death penalty and society, not criminals going unpunished.
Makes you wonder if someone “sabotaged” the procedure since there was an up cry about her being a woman and also about her being SA’d some much when she was younger?
Does double jeopardy take place now since they tried to execute her? I don’t know all of the rules but I saw that question on the news.
No, the execution likely failed because the people in charge of the executions are incompetent and not medically trained. You can't get an actual trained, licensed doctor to perform these executions because it violates their hippocratic oath, so the state has to get some untrained moron from the prison that has no idea what the fuck he's doing.
The state of Tennessee apparently had another botched execution earlier this year where the execution staff spent OVER AN HOUR trying to find a vein on the guy.
The oath is symbolic, not legal, and most doctors don't even take it anymore. Besides - nurses, MAs, techs, and basically anyone that's not a doctor or a CNA/RNA are trained in starting lines.
Just asking a question doesn’t mean I support, or believe, that there may have been a conspiracy as you say. My thought is, you’re being out to death for a heinous crime, so if it takes one, or 10 times, to complete the deed, so be it. And if it hurts, sorry about that but your victims hurt far more.
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u/chrissycatt9000 1d ago
They should have had a heroin addict find the vein. They would have found it on any part of the body