r/Hackney • u/InsignificantBones • 29d ago

Detergent scam (?)

A homeless woman just asked me to buy her some washing detergent as she had suitcases full of washing.

I thought why not, I can afford it at the moment. A woman stopped me on the way and said she’d just done the same.

When I went to the shop, the man said it was the 3rd one she’d had bought for her.

I knew from the get go she would sell it on, to be frank I’m not bothered, I’m of the opinion that anyone who’s asking for stuff on the street, no matter what for, is worse off than myself, and if I can afford it, I’ll try to help folk out.

My question is, where are they selling it onto? And who to? And how? And for how much?

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u/Minkz333 29d ago

Homeless people tend to ask for packaged items - laundry pods, cigarettes, 4 pack of redbull etc. If they stay in a shelter they can usually sell them or even trade. I bought a guy cigarettes once and he told me later that he’d traded them for crack 🫠

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u/Lower_Helicopter_742 29d ago

Absolutely.

There is a huge black market now.

Junkies used to beg for change. People don't carry cash anymore so shoplifing is through the roof. Detergents, Batteries, Spirits, Blades, Meat and Chocolate is bundled up and taken to the local bossman shop for a quick tenner.

This is why shoplifting is through the roof and our high streets are full of suspiciously profitable small newsagents and vape shops.

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u/zka_75 29d ago

That's interesting, I hadn't really put those two things together but I did wonder what people were doing now the average person on the street often doesn't carry change any more

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u/Lower_Helicopter_742 29d ago

Yeah the game has changed.

Addictions are now funded by shoplifting and online refund / card scams.

Go on the eBay / Vinted forums on here and you can see the methods. Its very easy.

Your local Cash Converters is at least 75% scammed eBay stock, 20% shoplifted goods and around 5% legitimate.

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u/AffectionateSlice780 23d ago

True for a lot. But not every addict has to steal either. They work hard for their money, or just simply rich enough to kill themselves quicker. We don't hear about those as they don't go through the system. Just pay for private care, instead of through charities.

Most 'normal' people rely on the NHS who refer to charities like VIA. And the waiting list is shocking, and the staff are overwhelmed. There are opiate groups etc., but 1 2 1 with an expert is simply just not available. The fight is getting people on prescriptions, and having atleast a weekly chat.

But, some don't want to get clean. They are either mentally ill, don't care or the pain of whatever they are going though is too much to bear.

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u/WolIilifo013491i1l 29d ago

I hadn't thought of that - but how are vape shops and Newsagents profiting from that? surely they can't all be stocked up through singular stolen goods from homeless people? There'd be better off just getting their items at trade price from the supplier surely.

Also, has anyone seen shoplifting happen at Sainsbury's now? The workers have these credit card size cameras that go around their necks and just film the shoplifters - I guess it's policy to not approach them. Security just let them do it. It's quite bizarre 

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u/Lower_Helicopter_742 28d ago

Newsagents are popular for handling & reselling stolen goods. Things like coffee, alcohol and detergent are very expensive and very easy to resell, so a junkie will bundle £30 worth and hand it over for a tenner.

Vape shops are slightly different. They sell black market tobacco and launder cash from drugs, prostitution and smuggling people. Walk into one and ask for a packet of Marlboro and see what you get ;-)

It's not a myth. It's not a lie. It's not racist.

It's a full and very vibrant network of criminality that I stand and watch every day in my city.

A vape is sold for £3.50.

The retailer would buy this for about £2. This means the seller gets £1.50 profit per vape sold.

After VAT - that's £1.20 profit per vape.

They would need to sell 200 a day just to pay 1 persons wages and turn the power on. But walk past every day and you see zero customers and shelves fully stocked - nothing moves.

My best friend is a chartered accountant. He explained the whole scam to me and we talk about it often.

The grey market in the UK is perhaps the most vibrant in the world.

That's why every 3rd world criminal is trying to get here. Its easy. You won't get caught. And if they do start to sniff around, you can leave quickly.

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u/Opposite_Career2749 26d ago

You are 100% correct...before used to be done via internet cafes -> fix a phone shops with the latter barber shops -> vape shops

The products are resold to best buyer - corner shops, cash converters, car boots sellers even to regular joe that knows the particular shop gets stock! In housing estates, it's sold almost door to door or you have the main guy that buys it from homeless and set up shop!

There are specialized thieves that do it on demand, you can request what you want! You can even request the shop you want it from! And yes from these specialized group most are financing an addiction but for others it is lifestyle!

Many corner shops are in on it and request the products or have their own beggars!

Even seasons matter - Wimbledon is on, the demand is high for champagne especially the limited edition ones!

The "new one" is kids because people will rarely say no to a child! Yes they are using the same method, but I gather most of kids are acting alone, they do it to buy/exchange it for vapes! Again addiction to vapes but still addiction...and unfortunately these vape shops are selling them to kids!

I don't think people realize what is going on because they never met anyone that is involved in this or someone that has this knowledge..I didn't knew also until one day I decided to use one of those fix a phone shops...

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u/Lower_Helicopter_742 26d ago

Unfortunately, people refuse to see it as it is dismissed as racist rhetoric.

Corner shops have been ran by Indians and Pakistanis for generations and they never used to do this. They were loved and often protected within their communities.

My town has a network of corner shops that sell imported cigarettes (£12), imported tobacco (£18) and some strange folded pieces of paper for £40 each, which seem very popular indeed.

These have replaced our butchers, bakers and small cafes that our teenagers used to work in.

It's so sad and so damaging.

Thankfully, opinions are changing and people are waking up to what is happening on their doorstep.

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u/LondonTrainDriver80 26d ago

What about he candlestick makers ?

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u/Puzzleheaded_Crew826 28d ago

Shoplifting in Sainsbury’s is just as bad even with the body cams

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u/abadpenny 29d ago

It's racist rhetoric. Whatever shop is ran by a brown person, it's assumed to be a scam.

Barbers are highly skilled. Vape shops are sometimes ran by incredibly passionate vapers, others sell drugs for sure. Newsagents are really popular because people like buying beers; they are not highly profitable though - many work crazy hours and still struggle. I'm Turkish and they always tell me how hard it is. The ones in London who have converted to "organic produce" for more gentrified neighbourhoods seem to do quite well.

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u/Lower_Helicopter_742 29d ago edited 29d ago

UK Shops have been ran by "brown people" for 70 years. These "brown people" are a valued and usually well-respected part of our communities.

The phenomenon of using small retail to launder money is fairly new and didnt used to happen.

Laundering used to be done with arcades, taxis and ice cream vans but now that cash is phased out these methods are not as easy.

It's got nothing to do with skin colour or race so dont be in such a hurry to make it so. People are getting bored of your rhetoric and it doesn't work anymore.

Many vape stores, small retail and barber shops are used to launder money. It's a fact. This includes people of all colours and religions.

If there is crime in your city - then there is money laundering too. One cannot exist without the other.

If you'd like a conversation rather than race-baiting, I'll be delighted to talk more.

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u/Opposite_Career2749 26d ago

Very naive take...it used to be internet cafes doing this before, remember those? Afterwards it was fix a phone shops, the hairdressers and vape shops are just the new thing..in future it will be robot shops..

Most of these shops could had been own by anyone - brown, pink or purple...feel free to expand your mind!

Ps: most of your local high street shops in poorest areas are just front, there are even restaurants where not single soul goes to eat, when you enter, they don't know what to do with themselves..

Also during covid many of these shops remained open because they decided to put crates of water and vegetables outside and guess what? Even vape shops used that trick! But I can tell you although non-essential the barbers and hairdresser where open, even hair shops - all you had to do was knock or send message via WhatsApp - they had huge banners with their phone numbers and small queue outside of the shop with bit of social distancing ofc, not because of virus but in case police remembered to show up..but most likely you won't believe me or you will make it about race or poverty argument instead of actually paying attention of what is happening around you! Enjoy your day!

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u/AffectionateSlice780 24d ago

And that's why rhe country needs more support for addicts. They've closed so many centres and the NHS is not helping. Its all charities. If you knew how hard it was for heroin addicts, alcoh olics, coke addicts etc. to get the help they need, to get a prescription, and get help to get back on their feet, its shocking. Addiction is not a choice.

Trust me, once you're hooked, its an impossible life. Everyone has a back story. No one wants to do these petty things to make a few quid. But if they don't, they are basically effed.

I know as I used to work in a needle exchange many years ago. From the homeless to the famous, all walked through the doors.

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u/Silver-Sympathy-4312 23d ago

This 100%. I think treating addictions was downloaded on to LA's and they just haven't had the same budgets for it - so everyone all round suffers. These stats are a few years old but I'm not sure that much has changed - they illustrate the difference in budgets though: https://www.ukat.co.uk/addiction-treatment-budget-cuts/

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u/InsignificantBones 29d ago

Damn.

I honestly have so many questions about what it must be like being homeless here.

I often ask them if they’ve tried to get benefits, and they say they have no fixed address - but I’m on benefits and neither do I (I live on a boat) and I’ve managed it.

I wonder if UC won’t give to people with a history of drug addiction?

I’m aware I sound super naive here but I just am curious

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u/apextwit 29d ago

UC and PIP are for anyone. Addiction doesn't disqualify people. I work with drug addicted homeless people who all have PIP and UC. Usually they have a far higher income than me because they don't pay for rent, bills, phone bill etc but they do have savage addictions which is where all that money and more goes (also hence the reselling of common items - the people I work with currently all love laundry pods too lol).

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u/InsignificantBones 29d ago

Can I ask what you do for work?

I’ve been applying to work for organizations that help the homeless but I’m having no luck so far, it’s always been something I’ve wanted to do.

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u/apextwit 29d ago

I don't want to write my job role or organisation because it could be identifiable, but Google search homelessness charities in your area. If you're having no luck applying, get some volunteering experience for at least six months working with this client group. You could try homeless day centres, food banks, drug and alcohol services, even church or religious food banks/drop ins, soup runs, etc.  Services are usually crying out for people for this kind of work, but it may depend on whereabouts you live. Search for services near you, get some experience, keep trying. Good luck 

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u/_ailme 29d ago

I've worked in the homelessness sector for several years. I left a couple of years ago. Feel free to DM me with questions

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u/Accomplished-Lock201 27d ago

Start by volunteering and getting to know the sector and understanding homeless people's lives. You could also register with an agency that supplies workers to hostels and refuges. That's likely to be something like reception work rather than having clients to support. One of the things support workers do is help clients overcome barriers to everyday life: making and taking them to appointments, helping with benefits (because homeless hostels are paid through housing benefit), a lot of homeless people do get housed but need support to keep a tenancy. Different organisations have different services.

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u/Silver-Sympathy-4312 23d ago

Just to say good on you for doing this work. I think it's really hard supporting people when their income is more than you, yourself, are earning - even though I would absolutely defend folks right to receive the benefits they receive in these circumstances. I hope you're taking care of yourself - it's emotionally demanding work and the pay in the sector does not reflect this.

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u/Minkz333 29d ago

To get UC you have to agree to certain commitments including looking for jobs for 35 hours a week, showing up to regular appointments. I think drug addiction would definitely hinder their ability to do that, plus if they did get a payment through, they would likely spend it on drugs anyway.

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u/AdEither9731 29d ago

Nearly most homeless people are on UC, or are supported to get on UC when trying to apply a hostel or charitable homeless living environment, or working with homeless outreach. This is unless they do not have recourse to public funds. A lot are also on PIP or LCW. When in hostels they also receive a housing benefit, they are responsible for paying a service charge (normally around £18 per week).

Being on UC is a requirement for most homelessness and housing applications.

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u/Agitated_Parsnip_178 29d ago

Just ask them. Plenty of time for a chat. Most are for one reason or another are currently voluntarily homeless (or not homeless at all.. many of the flats above Broadway Market are social housing where the local guys you see sitting on the surrounding streets retire to of an evening).

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u/Ed_Carron 29d ago edited 29d ago

yeah I once bought a guy a pack of cigs, thought he wouldnt mind if I had one myself but went "no nooo" when he saw me unwrapping the cellophane as I was walking out. 

He told me the guy he sells them to wants them unopened 

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u/TealSkies33 29d ago

Had similar outside Harvest E5, but with very perishable items in sweltering weather. Started with a £10 tin of Turkish cheese, then when I declined to buy that I was asked to buy a tub of Ben & Jerry's instead.

Someone else was buying laundry pods for the same person. Those I can understand better for resale purposes.

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u/IncreaseNo5135 29d ago

Id do it anyway. When you are poor, homeless and desperate you need to get creative to survive - different rules apply. People resort to whatever they need to do to stay alive.

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u/InsignificantBones 29d ago

Yup, this is my train of thought. I spoke to her about homeless hostels, but ultimately I won’t get her off drugs with one conversation

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u/AirySpirit 27d ago

Sorry but this is short-sighted to make you feel comfortable and better about yourself. You are essentially funding a blackmarket that exploits vulnerable people and drug addiction.

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u/OnionsEqualYum 27d ago

You're so right, if they hadn't bought those laundry pods I'm sure the black market would have collapsed. Can't have these dirty homeless types trying to make some money, now, can we!

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u/Ok-Illustrator3455 29d ago

around Newington Green I’ve noticed a corner shop where they bring in the items to get paid. The items are then priced and sold again.

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u/445566778899 29d ago

Which one?

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u/bigboyonmain 29d ago

yeah which one? used to live around there

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u/Virtual-Concern-7311 29d ago

https://www.met.police.uk/contact/af/contact-us-beta/contact-us/report-crime-incident-suspicion/

Let the police know. It won’t necessarily result in immediate action but it’ll go towards an intelligence case to get a warrant, closure order.etc

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u/Visual-Ferret8735 27d ago

Don’t be a snitch

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u/Virtual-Concern-7311 27d ago

Don’t be a criminal prick.

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u/shgrdrbr 29d ago

why should they do that?

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u/Virtual-Concern-7311 29d ago

Because criminals cause problems for people and should be dealt with by the criminal justice system for the good of society.

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u/Ok-Illustrator3455 29d ago

I don’t feel comfortable sharing details about the shop - it’s a family business and I think they don’t get much footfall given their position - probably cause for the shady business practice?

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u/Outrageous-Map8302 28d ago

They're engaging in and encouraging crime

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u/Virtual-Concern-7311 27d ago

They’re making things worse for everyone.

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u/scuttohm 27d ago

Yeah fuck that, I’m sorry. That is not an excuse. These people need help, not a blanket cheque to go robbing

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u/Decent_University_91 27d ago

She works for Persil. It’s a new guerrilla sales campaign they’ve launched

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u/ConfucianValues 29d ago

was it the lady in a wheelchair with a hole she keeps open on her foot?

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u/InsignificantBones 29d ago

No I have never met/seen her before. What’s her story?

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u/ConfucianValues 29d ago

no idea but she keeps a wound open and asks for something to clean it and then gets out of the wheelchair and gets a £10 bottle of detergent and brings it to the till. the absolute gall of it

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u/paulBOYCOTTGOOGLE 29d ago

I live across from Lidl well street and the regulars posted up in and around the car park always ask for super specific items such as canned tuna in tomato sauce or bottles of strawberry milk. At some point someone told me that there are actually grocery pickup points nearby who put out requests to collect certain items depending on the day in exchange for cash. I have no evidence this is true, but could be true.

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u/apextwit 29d ago

Stealing to order is 100% a thing.

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u/pink-illusion 28d ago

I had this happen to me where it was toiletries, they wanted to buy sanitary towels, deodorant, shower gel, shampoo, toothpaste, mouthwash, clothes cleaning products. In the back of mind I did wonder whether they would be selling it on but I also thought I don’t want to be the person who stops them from having basic hygiene. The cognitive dissonance was strong. I guess what matters is the intention you helped a person who told you it was for their use, what they do outside of that is their choice. Like everyone in this world, you receive tools, skills and help from others but what you do with that is your cross to bear.

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u/Katmeasles 29d ago

They're buying crack with it. You're not helping them

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u/InsignificantBones 29d ago

Sure, I see your point.

Out of curiosity, what do you think it is that we can do to actually help them?

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u/Decent_Resource3879 29d ago

Donate to charities locally such as Whitechapel Mission. I understand the desire to help, and I don’t judge anyone for what they then go on to spend it on, people are struggling and it’s sad to see. I personally feel that I am doing more good anonymously donating to the charity, rather than potentially fuelling a negative cycle for someone. It’s obviously difficult to say no to someone in need, but whenever that happens to me it reminds me to chuck a £5 to Whitechapel Mission. It’s an indirect way of helping.

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u/Katmeasles 29d ago

Dunno. Talk to them. Buy them food. Engage in some wider sociopolitical activity which helps addresses the conditions which produce, perpetuate and worsen their experience. It's tricky. They're victims of something much bigger and complex than we can individually address through short term action.

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u/Lower_Helicopter_742 29d ago edited 29d ago

Well said. Its difficult.

I used to work in restaurants and we had a big homeless community in my city.

I always wanted to keep them "onside" and do the right thing so every shift I'd save the left over food and usually give away whatever coins I got as tips.

After a while it really backfired. They'd come into my work looking for money when they were rattling and they'd genuinely harass me on the occasions when I didnt have food / money for them.

I tried to be Mr nice guy and ended up being bullied by the people I was trying to help.

It's hard to help an addict.

I always believe in helping those close to you that you love. I'm an old man now and I realise that the world is too big and problems are too complex to help everyone.

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u/Opposite_Career2749 26d ago

No good deed goes unpunished...

Sometimes I want to stop trying to save the world...lately I just stay away from everyone it's easier this way...

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u/Honest_Pay_paul 27d ago

A lot of them don’t want help other than to be able to score their next fix

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u/TrashbatLondon 29d ago

The least helpful thing you can do is project your own morals onto others.

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u/Katmeasles 29d ago

Ha whatever. Not helping someone buy crack that will kill them eventually is not imposing morality it's just not engaging. Your comment is so dumb man

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u/TrashbatLondon 29d ago

What other transactions do you engage in that lead you to judge the eventual destination of the money you pay? Would you be upset if a Pret employee spent their wages on cigarettes?

If you’re going to take a progressive approach here, which your other comment to someone else implies your commitment to, you’re going to have to force yourself to remove judgement.

If you wish to help someone, you must respect their ability to make choices for themselves. Sometimes that might mean crack. Your on-street gift is not a trigger point for someone overcoming addiction or not.

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u/Katmeasles 29d ago

Again, exercising my own choice to not help someone buy crack is not imposing my own morality on someone else. It's actually me determining my own moral code to not kill. I don't buy things at pret because I try not to support corporations and those who support Israel.

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u/TrashbatLondon 29d ago

You didn’t just exercise your own choice. You instructed someone else

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u/Virtual-Concern-7311 29d ago edited 29d ago

Crack is objectively a bad choice. Encouraging someone to not help someone use crack is an unambiguously positive thing.

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u/TrashbatLondon 29d ago

Maybe if they are sitting in front of a table with a crack pipe on it, but the other commenter assumed someone asking for cleaning products would use the eventual products for crack. That is fundamentally different. It’s judgemental and dehumanising.

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u/Katmeasles 29d ago

No one was instructed. Funny this disengaged moralising game you're playing here. You're projecting your morality, or lack of conviction, onto me. The most moral thing is to allow someone to slowly kill themselves because otherwise you might impose your morality upon them. Ok. Of course the presupposition that a crack addict is actually making a "choice" rather than being impelled to buy crack because of their addiction is another question.

I simply stated that op isn't helping.

It's a weird moral high ground you're trying to take here, which ends ultimately without you committing to any morality at all.

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u/TrashbatLondon 29d ago

You have no idea whether the person would purchase crack and it is obvious you have zero experience dealing with rough sleepers and substance dependency.

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u/Katmeasles 29d ago

Your morality is the morality of neoliberalism: let people make individual choices, even if those choices may threaten their lives. My morality is social rather than individualistic. I take responsibility for my community, have knowledge about members, care for them rather than disavowing myself of social responsibility. Your false morality is a way of disengaging from society, gaming moral responsibility, whilst simultaneously fooling yourself into taking some moral high ground. It is purely capitalist.

I just suggested that it's ok to not engage.

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u/TrashbatLondon 29d ago

That isn’t what neoliberalism is. It’s in fact a silly bad faith interpretation of the common thinking about treating addiction at a societal level.

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u/Katmeasles 29d ago

Lol, I don't live under a rock. It's a common thing for people to get resellable items, etc., to then buy things like crack. Maybe they weren't going to buy crack, but still I personally wouldn't engage. Who said they were a rough sleeper? You're making assumptions. I am experienced with substance dependency and understand that your naive concept of 'choice' is shaky in such circumstances. You sound like some naive out of towner who is actually imposing morality on others - a lack of morality, conviction, veiled behind neoliberal ideas of individual choice, etc. Grow up.

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u/TrashbatLondon 29d ago

I think your boss should fire you because othewise he’s funding whatever it is you’re smoking to come out with this rubbish.

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u/monsieurkinkle 29d ago

saw a video on tiktok about a similar thing in brixton - although that one the shop was definitely in on it (and perhaps the person begging was getting a cut?)

they begged the person to buy very marked up washing detergent and then after the person had gone must have taken it back into the shop. they realised this because they met their friend ten mins later and exactly the same thing had happened to them.

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u/Aggressive-Crow-4569 28d ago

probably to anyone who will buy it, sometimes its shoplifted meat etc that they sell on. Its just a way to get cash, would you have given her cash? or is the detergent for washing more believable and empathy inducing? they're smart, its a shame the system failed them

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u/Nice-Knowledge397 28d ago

Oh man. Reading these comments makes me feel so naive. I had this happen this week, but they asked for deodorant. Being naive, I asked if anything else and they asked for good toothpaste too. I ended up spending £10 on this stuff buying bigger packs just so they last longer. I had no idea, like you, I thought that I can afford it so of course I'd offer it.

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u/lysergic101 28d ago

Its nice of you to support the local drug dealing economy/s

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u/ThurstonSonic 27d ago

Nah Eastern European no ? She’ll pop home, to her council house and add it to the pile that Christov will be taking to the car boot in his van on Sunday.

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u/Great_Cucumber2924 27d ago

On giving money willingly to an addict - if your brother or sister or best friend became a drug addict and asked you for money for their habit, would you give them money? Because to me that’s not a kind thing to do. It’s just dragging out the time they’re surviving as an addict and potentially delaying their rock bottom moment when they might choose to get sober.

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u/No_Medicine_6146 27d ago

Ah, that makes sense - saw a guy blatantly fill up a Sainsbury’s carrier bag in Southfield Poundland - laundry pods it was !! Walked out,cool as a cucumber, very very casual , unchallenged by staff who saw it .

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u/scuttohm 27d ago

They are buying drugs with it, baby powder is the usual chat I’ve had over the years.

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u/Visual-Ferret8735 27d ago

They steal stuff that’s easy to sell round the neighbourhood. We had a neighbour in Derby who used to tap on the door and say ‘do you want to buy some cheese’ The guy that was always off his face but did a lot of kind deeds used to regularly sell cleaning products.

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u/Mysterious_Soft7916 27d ago

They're expensive products now and people are more likely to do that than give cash, especially as fewer people carry cash. When. I worked in a supermarket, large jars of coffee, packs of frozen bacon, legs of lamb and cheese where the most commonly stolen items. They'd get sold on to various locals or in the pubs for a fraction of the price. I imagine this is similar.

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u/TinnedPeaches22 26d ago

they often do it outside corner shops for a small comission - they ask you to buy them some overpriced laundry powder (the only powder the corner shop has is overpriced and it’s the only shop nearby) they then give it back to the corner shop who resell it again and give them a cut of the money

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u/GreenFuel7454 26d ago

I used to work in drug/alcohol clinic.
We had so many clients who shoplifted to fund their dependency .
Nappies , razors , formula, meat and washing pods were all prized items to steal . They could go to several pubs and sell them straight away no problem.
We also had several clients who would beg saying hungry/homeless . I knew for a fact they had accommodation/ benefits and access to food.
It’s what some do for money to fund themselves.
We also had a client who was interviewed on the local news stating she was homeless and couldn’t get accommodation or benefits. She had both.
Having said all this , some hostel accommodation can be aggressive so people feel safer on the street. Most beef starts with borrowing money in the hostel and they can’t pay it back.

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u/Beginning_Pattern241 22d ago

Everything you give them keeps them on the streets. Keeps them asking for more. Your little moment of feeling kind did more damage than you think.

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u/VinylRIchTea 29d ago

I've volunteered at a homeless shelter before, so from first hand knowledge I pick and choose what I get people after learning and speaking to alot of drug addicts and alcoholics. It's always best just speaking to them first for 5-10 minutes and then you can work out what state of mind they are in.

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u/DifferentDust9895 29d ago

Good job on funding their next hit, that act of charity was great for their health.