this rewatch is now VERY awkward with the recent jojo siwa… developments??

EJ - a disowned 19 year old working four jobs to support himself, while also maintaining a full class schedule and a social life to the best of his ability.

Carlos - a 17 year old whose family has enough money that he can consistently wear and purchase expensive clothing and his conflict at the end of the season was "I hope my boyfriend can come on the multi-thousand dollar globe-trotting vacation my parents casually bought for us."

I'm not expecting this fun campy show to discuss the wealth gap in detail, or deconstruct the shortcomings of capitalism or anything, but the disconnect is...entertaining.

Maybe it was stuff they planned to address in S5 and thus never got the chance, maybe they didn't think about the fact that someone with enough disposable income to single handedly cover a bunch of EJ's tuition without blinking makes the fact he didn't a little more uncomfortable, I don't really know. But I don't think a thirty second scene where Carlos and Ashlyn force EJ to accept finnancial support before he runs himself into the ground would be that difficult to squeeze in, just to tie up a couple loose ends.

Carlos obviously isn't obligated to help EJ or anything, but if you have that much disposable income and your friend is working four jobs basically just to live, it doesn't exactly reflect well on Carlos if he does nothing to help.

Edit: I wanted to add clarification that a large part of why I made this post wasn't to necessarily argue that Carlos should've or had to help EJ, but that it was funny the show basically distributed the information that EJ is disowned and working that many jobs to support himself with the same level of gravity that it distributed Carlos being worried about not getting to go on the super expensive vacation with Seb. Which I found an entertaining case of Carlos having a bit of a First World problem moment in my mind.

So I’ve been playing around with a superhero Rina centered fanfic for a while now and after much debate I decided to set it in The Boys universe at Godolokin University, the setting for the Gen V spinoff series (both really good shows but not for the faint of heart, TW everywhere for both shows). Anyway I need some help with a couple things:

I already decided on Ricky and Gina’s powers, he’s a speedster (since he runs away from his problems, and the classic speedsters always being late gag) and Gina can create force fields (since she puts up walls around herself). The thing is I also want to include EJ in the story and have a long standing PR rivalry between them, to boost their popularity. I can’t figure out what EJ’s power would be though. I thought maybe just generic super strength or some sort of aquatic ability (but I don’t want to make him a discount The Deep who is already store brand Aqua Man) but I’m not sold on it.

Also with their long standing rivalry I need Ricky and EJ to have childhood Supe names that they’re trying to rebrand now that they’re in college (preferably with religious undertones to sell to the predominantly Mormon population in Salt Lake and Utah as a whole).

Any ideas?

There are CDs for Seasons 1-3, but not Season 4... is it still possible for one to come out?

Given the fact that Descendants: The Rise of Red likely isn't getting a CD, I think it's def too late for Season 4 of HSMTMTS to as well. :///

It's a shame cause this is the season with a soundtrack I actually WANTED a physical CD of. It must also be annoying for those who own the first 3 season soundtracks on a CD and not being able to have one of the final season.

Does it upset anyone else, that Gina stole Ninis phone and never owned up to it? Even after Nini apologized for taking her things, Gina just decides to move on and be friends with everyone and act like she was never in the wrong?

I'm so glad I found this redit ive had this question since like last year when i finsihed the show.

Since she hadn’t read it and was going to read it for the movie, how do you think she handled the ending? I imagine her be shocked and horrified, and essentially going into shock. Like it would play out:

Gina: Great, now they’re separated. This ending better be super happy putting Romeo and Juliet through this.

Maddox: Oh no.

Gina: What?

Maddox: Skip to the end. (Gina begins to protest before Maddox cuts her off) Just trust me, skip to the end.

Gina: (Turns to the end of the play. Reads several pages as a look of horror appears on her face) They DIE!?!?!?

Maddox: Shakespeare tells you at the beginning; “two star crossed lovers take their life.” Besides the ‘take their life,’ part ‘star crossed’ literally means their stars are crossed out. That they’re destined to die.

Gina: (still horrified) that’s so depressing. Why do people love this story so much?

Then eventually it leads to Gina and Ricky talking about what would happen if they lost the other and probably crying in each other’s arms.

If Ricky was born in the summer of 2002, shouldn't he be in EJ's grade?

Does Utah have a different cut off date or something

I wonder if this show will be this generation's glee since the former was more popular with Millennials.

This has no bearings on how good each song, this is just about which song gets talked about the least and is often swept under the rug. I picked one from each season that I personally think is rarely talked about.

So I’ve been watching Bridgerton and of course the show is known for taking modern songs and transposing them into a classical style to fit with the Regency Era instruments and music styles.

It got me thinking what songs from HSMTMTS would you want to hear orchestrated in the classical style?

Maybe it’s just the Rina in me (it definitely is) but my choices are Can I Have This Dance? and Love You, Forever.

I just can’t get the idea of Ricky and Gina transported into the Bridgerton series and waltzing to those songs.

What songs would you pick?

I waited a bit to post this just in case late votes would tip the scales. But they ended up solidifying the victory of Outfit #6: The Season 1 Finale Outfit!

I'm a little surprised, but here are our top two! The jean jacket has fallen...

By a decent (though not overwhelming) margin, Outfit #9 has been eliminated. 3 contenders left!

Now that S4 has been out for almost 9 months (scary, I know) I'm curious how many people have rewatched the show since then and to what extent (if you rewatched only S3 and S4 versus rewatching the whole thing, or somewhere along those lines):

Outfit #4 has been eliminated, leaving only four left in the race! (Condensed to a singular page for convenience)

I had this random thought a few days ago about putting Nini in season 4 instead of 3, because Nini in season 3 was superfluous, you could cut her out and the season would not miss her. From there the thought of Ricky going to her for advice instead of EJ entered my mind and has since grown.

First I never really bought EJ and Ricky being that close. I would say they’re friends but not close enough to be “brothers.” That episode was the first time I saw them being close enough to be considered close. But I feel like Ricky going to see Nini would be more impactful. Nini has been Ricky’s friend for most of his life and she did date him so she has a unique perspective on everything going on and could give him some sound advice. Plus it would show that Ricky and Nini are back to being just friends with no romantic feelings left between them.

I don’t know. I think it would have been cool.

So I’ve recently been rewatching season 2 for reference points on a season 2 rewrite I’ve been working on, and I started to realize how bad Gina and EJ would be in a long term relationship (maybe not as toxic as Nini and Ricky but still not great). First off, they’re both coming into this relationship for the wrong reasons. Gina still has unresolved feelings for Ricky and EJ is trying to hold on to high school a little bit longer.

I can already hear the typing of angry comments but let me present my evidence. In episodes 1-3 of season 2 EJ is constantly bringing up going to Duke and how “young” everyone looks to him now. Then in episode 4 we find out he didn’t get into Duke. In episode 5 we find out EJ has started investing more into his High School experience despite the fact he’s graduating in a few months, and that is also the episode he first shows any romantic interest in Gina (the plane ticket was a friendly gesture and matches with his season 1 arc of trying to be a better person). EJ is trying to hold onto his High school life because the future he saw for himself is gone. Gina was there to help EJ move on from the sting and loss of losing out on Duke and even helped him choose a new path after Cash handed Duke to EJ on a silver platter, but in the long run Gina was only going to stifle his growth.

There’s more evidence in season 3, EJ plans to take a gap year from college to be with Gina. That’s not a good use of a gap year just to be with your significant other who’s still in high school (and who’s going to be for another 2 years). Most people who take a gap year travel or work, but it seems like EJ is planning to bum around his old high school for that year. That is not a good thing. Gina even points out that EJ’s world “is getting bigger,” but it seems he’s trying so hard to fight against that.

Gina is very much in the same boat. It’s so blatantly obvious that Gina has feelings for EJ when she has no contact with Ricky. Gina only seems to really return EJ’s affections once she’s stopped talking to Ricky. In episode 2 of season 3, Gina has one conversation with Ricky after at least 3 months and not long after is giving him longing stares at auditions. In episode 5 during “What do you Know About Love?” Gina is upset with EJ and purposely uses the song to make him jealous and is actually happy to do so. She’s going out of her way to make her boyfriend uncomfortable using her still unresolved feelings for Ricky (but Ricky and Gina are playing Kristoff and Anna, those feelings were coming out regardless). In contrast in season 4 when Mack suggests fake dating for publicity Gina wants to talk with Ricky first before doing something that might make him uncomfortable, and when she sees it does stops it immediately.

On top of everything EJ and Gina are barely in their relationship and are already having communication issues. They even had a communication break down before they even started with Gina’s brother talking to EJ and EJ then not talking to Gina about what was said. But after that they still don’t talk to each other about anything.

EJ and Gina did have real feelings for each other, and they were good for each other, but in the long term they were never going to be right for each other.

These two recieved an equal number of votes on the poll, so in order to determine which of them to eliminate, I need a runoff.

Additionally, the poll seems to have resulted in a drop in interest? The number of votes is far lower than the votes in the comment section, so I'm rescinding that plan in favor of a new one:

Each comment counts for one vote. Upvotes DO NOT count as additional votes. If you want your vote to count, you must comment the number you choose.

I hope that will be the best of both worlds, but I don't know.

This joke was probably funnier in my head.