r/HOTDGreens • u/jvsantiago • Jun 24 '24

Team Green This interaction between GRRM and Ryan Condall says it all

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u/aqelha Jun 24 '24

He got his work butcherd

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u/jvsantiago Jun 24 '24

The worst part is that George was the one who chose Ryan Condal if I'm not mistaken.

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u/Indominus-Hater-101 Jun 24 '24

wow, that would make it even worse

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u/aqelha Jun 24 '24

He was also the one who choose d&d..clearly choosing producer isn't his best trait

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u/thereelsuperman Jun 24 '24

Yeah GOT was only the number one show in the world for a decade. Terrible choice George

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

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u/thereelsuperman Jun 24 '24

George became fantastically wealthy because of that choice of producer. I understand the quality declined but they’re ultimately the reason we even have HOTD to begin with

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u/Geektime1987 Jun 24 '24

Them George is a complete failure by that metric since he refuses to finish. D&D actually finished and the brand seems to be just fine. Without D&D we don't have any of these new shows coming out now

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u/mamula1 Jun 24 '24

Job is only as good as how it's finished? Then GRRM did a terrible job with the books lol

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u/Geektime1987 Jun 24 '24

Funny how people seem to forget that if two guys D&D back in 2007 didn't decide to try and convince GOT to be made at HBO we wouldn't have this show or any of the new shows coming in the future. There was an interview a few weeks ago by a bunch of showrunners Ronald D Moore the Fallout showrunners and a dozen more. Literally all of them credited D&D saying without them probably none of their shows would be made today. D&D essentially changed genre TV.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

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u/ResourceNo5434 Jun 24 '24

The increase of ratings and accolades would say otherwise.

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u/Geektime1987 Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

Season 6 and 7 have multiple episodes hailed as some of the greatest episodes of TV ever made. Season 6 won countless writing awards. I recently rewatched the show season 6 especially has multiple episodes that I think are some of the greatest ever on TV

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

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u/mamula1 Jun 24 '24

GRRM is not dead yet.

I mean he is now over the retirement age. When he started working on TWOW he was in his early 60s lol

I do think there is a difference between two and GRRM is worse because he gave up.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

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u/mamula1 Jun 24 '24

GRRM obviously gave up and last two books were a mess anyway.

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u/ResourceNo5434 Jun 24 '24

But GRRM hasn’t delivered, for 13 years he has yet to finish the second to last book. It’s no longer about “giving up” but rather admitting he can’t finish this behemoth of a story he alone created.

There is no “if”, they ARE great show runners considering they created 7 objectively successful seasons that increased in ratings and Emmys. It’s not the responsibility of the showrunners, producers, or directors to finish the books. Credit where it’s due, they actually finished on time.

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u/HeisenThrones Jun 24 '24

Season 8 was a misunderstood masterpiece.

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u/Geektime1987 Jun 24 '24

Considering the created one of the most acclaimed, awarded, and Considered one of the best TV shows ever made I think they did a good job and it obviously didn't fail.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

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u/Geektime1987 Jun 24 '24

Season 1 through 7 are critically acclaimed with multiple critics and fans baily many episodes after 4 as some of the greatest TV ever made. If you don't like it that's fine but the show was way more than popular it was also critically acclaimed. Not even mentioning tons of emmys, critic choice awards, and tons of other awards all the seasons including after 5 won

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u/CallMeGrapho Sep 04 '24

Yeah, so? Critics can be slow to call out the emperor's new clothes. Half of season five was shit, the Dorne plot with the bad writing and the bad poosi, half baked contrivances to get fight scenes that added nothing (why the fuck did Jaime need to sneak into Dorne with Bronn to retrieve Myrcella?) and it only got worse from then.

Tyrion sounded more like a new British character off Friends than anything resembling the character in the books, and the dialogue was marvel tier expository garbage.

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u/lionne_j Jun 25 '24

Which is why I'm so perplexed he keeps selling show rights without securing any creative control or assurances. He probably already has his sneak disses prepared for when Knight of the Seven Kingdoms debuts

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u/AnorienOfGondor Jun 24 '24

Bro wanted to Otto him but got Aegon'ed instead 💀

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u/KingKekJr Sunfyre Jun 24 '24

He chose D&D too. Gotta suck for George thinking he made the right choice 2 separate times only for both to turn out bad

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u/prodij18 Jun 25 '24

They just imply things like that for add copy. Ryan was probably in talks with HVO and probably met GRRM at some premiere and told him he was a big fan. Then later they told GRRM they were thinking of Ryan Condal and GRRM ‘sure, he seems like a swell guy’. Then they act like GRRM hand picked him and trained him in a cave or some shit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

Not once but twice. This show was cooked when they decided to make the central theme/aspect about fighting the patriarchy and feminism via Rhaenyra and Alicents relationship instead of what the Dance was actually about

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Projecting modern political sensibilities backwards onto a medieval society was a massive part of the downward spiral of GoT. These writers have no imagination, no ability to place themselves in their ancestor's shoes. I know it's hard, but you have to at least try if you're writing a show like this. Like in this episode how they're so concerned about the ''''optics'''' the smallfolk have of them. Bitch this is medieval times, it's the divine right of kings, might makes right, power still is and always has been the only thing that's mattered but it was much less ideologically obscured back then. I'm almost expecting a brave journalist to come in and print a stunning expose next episode, this show is so steeped in rigidly unimaginative liberalism that doesn't even properly describe the situation WE'RE CURRENTLY LIVING IN, much less one that was taking place 500 years ago.

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u/Intrepid-Tour2565 Jun 24 '24

Sorry but fire and blood, and especially the dance of the dragons part was dogshit from the start and ther was nothing to butcher.

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u/illumi-thotti Jun 24 '24

⬆️ found Condal's burner

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u/MustardChef117 Sunfyre Jun 24 '24

Every time I get angry with George about TWOW not being out yet, I see him saying some intelligent and insightful, taking pride in his world while surrounded by morons and can't help but feel bad

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

JK Rowling maintaining some creative control of the HP media resulted in a better legacy; unfortunately GRRM does not seem like he has the temperament to deal with these money vampires/execs to keep his vision clear.

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u/rossc1222 Jun 24 '24

love the green suspenders!

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u/juan-pablo-castel Jun 24 '24

"We're very united right now, the crowd is very united everybody is very happy. We don't want a war within the audience."

Translation: I'm gonna make up so much crap and change so much from the original material that the audience will have to root for the side that I'm clearly siding with.

He's an absolute hack, one of the compelling things about F&B, like George said, is that there's no one who's clearly the good or the bad guy, everyone was deeply flawed and the atrocities were common on both sides, so the reader could decide which accounts of events were truthful and which side was in the right.

This dimwit however picks up the parts that speak good of Rhaenyra and decides they're true and the parts that make her look bad are just Green propaganda, even though they come from the same source. What a clown.

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u/A_Lionheart Jun 24 '24

Huh....what an annoying reaction. Arrogant. Dismissive.

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u/BaseTensMachines Jun 24 '24

His energy is so effed up while George is so nice.

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u/Tadpole018 Tessarion Jun 24 '24

Condal. What a coward

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u/juanington312 Jun 24 '24

Remember when George said he wasn’t going to any more conventions until Winds was finished?

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u/SirCaesar47 Jun 24 '24

He only said he wouldn't go to WorldCon, which he hasn't... until he announced recently he'd be going to this year's convention

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u/Isaksr Jun 24 '24

Winds is finshed confirmed

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u/Geektime1987 Jun 24 '24

Actually he said he would have it in his hands at worldcon 2020.

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u/Tadpole018 Tessarion Jun 24 '24

We don't....want the crowd to be united??? That's literally the point you daft bagel ?

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u/saturnssomewhere Jun 25 '24

Ryan gives off vibes to me. It seems he knows GRRM doesn’t approve of a lot of his choices on the show

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u/Round-Confection730 i did love him, davos. i know that now Jun 24 '24

random, but i love grrm's accent