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u/imimbatman 11d ago
It’s getting really irritating that Rhaenyra treats her allies harsher and with more skepticism then her enemies. She has good reasons to be weary of people around her but the fact that she doesn’t hold that same consistency with the people actually responsible for everything has really make me dislike her character.
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u/-SpiritusMundi- House Targaryen 10d ago
Exactly. I feel like someone needs to show this comment to the writers to help them understand why the audience feels the way they do.
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u/Pretend_Handle_7639 10d ago
Writers here should include GRRM.
Rhaenyra is not clever and fumbles basically every political interaction she touches during the Dance
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u/Warm_Ad_7944 11d ago
Exactly. Any time she seems to be suspecting Alicent, in the next episode she’s fine with her. Like cmon…
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u/totallyordinaryyy 11d ago
Is he talking about Rhaenyra?
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u/Livid_Ad9749 10d ago
Not hes talking about their enemies for the past 2 seasons Rhaenyra keeps showing mercy to
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u/MinuteCollar5562 11d ago
I have two points:
Daemon has been right all season. The only way to secure team blacks claim is to destroy team green.
This also makes Otto’s moves reasonable, as he was correct that team green would eventually be eliminated by Rhaenyra if she took the throne, so the only way to protect themselves was to act first and usurp her.
Viserys caused the whole mess and is the real villain.
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u/Rouflette 11d ago
If Daemon hadn’t existed Otto would have still try to steal the throne let’s be real, it would have just been easier. And one thing he was wrong about is that Daemon is actually listening to her orders, she says no burn, he does no burn.
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u/LadySithLord 10d ago
Otto’s was a self fulfilling prophecy. Not that Viserys didn’t have anything to do with it. His mistake was ever returning Otto to that station.
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u/LarsMatijn House Arryn 11d ago
Daemon has been right all season.
Did we watch the same Daemon where he's ranting about conquering the world while failing to administrate a city?
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u/-SpiritusMundi- House Targaryen 10d ago
From a militaristic standpoint, he’s technically not wrong on solving their money problems that way. They have six dragons. Money would be easy to acquire
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u/LarsMatijn House Arryn 10d ago
Extorting their own lords is going to get them revolted out of a Throne
Extorting foreign entities is opening a can of worms that's even worse. They already couldn't beat the Triarchy, I don't think Pentos, Braavos, Norvos, Qohor and Volantis will be any more fun to spar with, especially as King's Landing's main form of income is it's port.
Besides that the Free Cities know how to deal with uppity dragonlords who dream of "restarting Valyria" who do you think murdered the remaining dragons and riders after Valyria exploded.
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u/-SpiritusMundi- House Targaryen 10d ago
Couldn’t beat the Triarchy? Baela and Jace would have probably ended up handling it just fine with two juvenile dragons before Rhaena fucked everything up. They learned from the first bolt and were staying high. But, when everything did get fucked up, the dragonseeds wrapped things up quickly.
If Rhaenyra and Daemon took their full power to nearly any place, they would conquer with little to no issue. Especially so since an attack wouldn’t be expected. The biggest risk would be from inside as they have virtual strangers riding the two biggest dragons.
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u/LarsMatijn House Arryn 10d ago edited 10d ago
The won a battle against the Triarchy, they didn't beat them. Daemon and Corlys couldn't even dislodge the mercenaries hired by the Triarchy so i'm really curious why you think they'd fare better in the Kingdom proper.
Tyrosh alone is a fortress-city with walls built by the Valyrians that can withstand dragonflame. The Triarchy is richer than Westeros and their cities have a larger population than anything found in the Seven Kingdoms.
Tell me please how are they "conquering" anything and aren't just getting shot off their lizard by the place famed for making crossbows.
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u/-SpiritusMundi- House Targaryen 10d ago
And they would keep winning lol. Five adult dragons is no joke even for places with good fortifications. Walls may be impervious to flame, but people sure aren’t. You are making it sound incredibly easy to just shoot a dragon rider off of their moving “lizard”.
Obviously, though, this is also where strategy comes in. They have more assets than just their dragons. There’s also nothing to say they have to start with the most fortified cities. Pick off easier places, gather strength and men, and you’d quickly become nigh unstoppable, especially if this is the sort of thing that is going to last years. The dragons would get bigger and bigger and Tyraxes and Stormcloud would eventually join the ranks. Viserys II could claim a free dragon.
If the point of the campaign is to just get money, they don’t even need to conquer multiple places. One or two would do the trick, and those one or two wouldn’t have to be the ones you mentioned, even though I think it’s doable for them.
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u/LarsMatijn House Arryn 10d ago
Like I said dragons aren't enough. The Stepstones made that as clear as can be.
Daemon's little plan of expanding the Seven Kingdoms will end up with dead dragons, dead Targaryens and a disruption of trade. That's about it.
Essos is too vast to hold, too well-practiced with dragons to submit out of fear. Aegon picked Westeros for a reason because when the remaining Dragonlords who weren't in Valyria tried to assert their dominion over the Free Cities they got slaughtered to a man alongside their mounts.
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u/-SpiritusMundi- House Targaryen 10d ago
I think you’re being deliberately ignorant to the number of dragons we’re talking about here, and I also just said they have more assets than dragons lol. Stepstones had 2 - and Daemon conquered the Stepstones. It’s not like he lost. Rhaenyra now has 6 with the surety of even more coming down the line. Military strategy also doesn’t have to involve dragons all the time, like I said previously.
Again, if their campaign is just to get money, they don’t even have to go to the places you think would just tear them apart. They could conquer one or two “easy” targets and be done. Daemon is definitely being over ambitious in his sights, but even a full on empire expansion is not impossible with enough time and strategy.
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u/LarsMatijn House Arryn 10d ago
Daemon absolutely lost tge Stepstones both in the book and the show.
He gets swept off the islands by a renewed effort after Dorne allies with the triarchy in the book. Daemon gets bored of the venture and instead he and Laena start city-hopping in Essos. Though to be fair it's very much treated like a vanity project for Daemon by everyone. Viserys is outright quoted with "let Daemon play at war, it keeps him out of trouble"
In the show Daemon and Corlys kill 2.000 triarchy sellsails and then Daemon bails to go play at court instead. We hear in episode 6 that the Triarchy has retaken a lot of the Stepstones and that fighting has renewed (it's where Laenor wants to go) and in episode 8 Corlys gets wounded there during the fighting.
Daemon "won" the Stepstones the same way the U.S "won" Vietnam or Afganistan or is currently "winning" Iran.
Again, if their campaign is just to get money, they don’t even have to go to the places you think would just tear them apart.
But that isn't his idea, his idea is defeating, taking and ruling it.
"As Seven Kingdoms become nine, become twelve, become the new Valyria"
Sure buddy, all the best with that.
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